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Depends on where you live but I'd hesitate to recommend any sort of scrambler, supermoto or other light bike: No.1 scrote magnet
After that just get what your budget can allow but bear in mind you'll more than likely be itching to do your A2 @ 19 so you might only have it for 2 years. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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These look great but they are made from bean cans and coathanger wire. What's more they're not even close to a learner power limit... As much as a loathe the genre your Suzuki Marauder will be a better choice IMO. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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A100man wrote: |
These look great but they are made from bean cans and coathanger wire. What's more they're not even close to a learner power limit... As much as a loathe the genre your Suzuki Marauder will be a better choice IMO. |
May sound like modern day generic chinese bashing, but he's not wrong. They really are just mass imported chinese built bikes imported into the U.K, assembled in various back street garages and sold under varying names.
It wont be long after leaving the workshop before one will never look as shiny as that ever again, and the care that has to be taken to make sure they leave the workshop without a scratch is painfully unworthwhile.
On the plus side you can build one from a delivered crate to a rolling state with less than a full socket set.
How the people that sell them believe their own spouted bull**** about quality I'll never now.
Save your money and invest in something that's worth it, or get a second hand one as anyone worth their salt could work their way around one of these without having ever worked on it before with even a basic set of tools. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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NJD wrote: | May sound like modern day generic chinese bashing, but he's not wrong. They really are just mass imported chinese built bikes imported into the U.K, assembled in various back street garages and sold under varying names. |
While I'm not as averse to Chinese bikes as most here, I'd still take an older, more basic YBR/CG over the really cheap Keeway stuff, and I'm speaking as someone that currently owns a Keeway. Sinnis, Lexmoto etc are all rebranding the same designs and tarting up the graphics/plastics to suit them.
The middle ground is a Korean bike, Hyosung are decent enough while still not as expensive as Japanese bikes. If you're after a cruiser, look at an Aquila/GZ125, or older and needing more maintenence, Cruise 2 125. The latter is a decent 4v variant of the motor in the Maurarder, and is bang on the legal limit and was a respectable enough when properly ratted up. Check for rust under the seat and on the front engine mounts. ____________________ '98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine) |
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I bought a Zontes ZT 125 U which is a Chinese bike and discuss it here:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=332010
I really like the bike and it feels solidly built. It has a problem with a sensor that is being fixed under warranty but my mate who bought a brand spanking new Honda CB650F in October 2020 also has some initial issues with his machine so all manufacturers need to fix issues on new bikes. ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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oldmanrich wrote: | It does amuse me all the people on here who say to avoid Chinese. Please ignore these people. They are blokes in their 50s who have never even ridden one and just jumped on the badmouthing bandwagon.
I have owned a number of Chinese 125s and for the value and amount of time you'll own one until you do your A2 will be probably less than 2 years. In that time most, if not all cheap 125 bikes will have a warranty so if anything did go wrong you'd be covered.
I have had in the past Peugeot Speedfight / Jetforce,
Gilera runner,
Lexmoto Isca, Tempest and Diablo.
Ignore the brand snobs, go with what you is cheap and you will inevitably only keep for a year or so and then buy a big bike. |
My Jing Cheng Honda Dax copy (bought new in a crate) looked great but every part was made from inferior materials, brittle plastics, poor chrome, kickstart seal gave out after a few hundred miles etc.. That was a decade plus ago but have things really got
any better? I replaced it with a Suzuki A100 which was battered but oozed quality in comparison. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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A100man wrote: | My Jing Cheng Honda Dax copy (bought new in a crate) looked great but every part was made from inferior materials, brittle plastics, poor chrome, kickstart seal gave out after a few hundred miles etc.. That was a decade plus ago but have things really got
any better? I replaced it with a Suzuki A100 which was battered but oozed quality in comparison. |
In some cases, no, but I can't speak for every bike and every brand.
In my brief stint putting them together (I'll leave the brand out of it) out of a crate some would come with defects, but others were fine. The paintwork on almost all were very prone to micro scratches, and having been used to manhandling and jumping over jap bikes for a few years I never really got used to how you had to "dance around" them to ensure nothing got damaged (leaving the cheap foam covering on things like mud guards for as long as possible).
I only saw a few come in for a service, and never worked on those. Servicing was woeful, and as someone who enjoys working on bikes watching a bike sit on a bench having its oil changed for most of the day when it easy to spot that several other things could have been done to it as well (cleaned, lubed in places etc) killed me.
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I also owned a Euro 3 Lexmoto Arrow quite a while ago now and had a never ending list of issues with it right up until the day I sold it despite pumping endless amounts of money into it through the dealer I got it from after the warrenty ran out, of which I used to no end.
For me YBR's have been around an age, and given how cheap parts are / how easy they are to work on I don't get why anyone would spend £1000 or more on a "new" chinese bike; but then again I'd always advocate buying a used jap 125 to anyone. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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I have a 2015 YBR. Great bike and I love it. It is made by Chonqing-Jianshe in Chonqing, China. A lot of smaller displacement japanese bikes are made outside of Japan. Look at your VIN number on the motorcycle data plate (usually on, or near the steering head). If the VIN begins with the letter "L", the bike is made in China.
https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
Most Chinese bikes, to my knowledge, are clones of Japanese engineering. I would be surprised to find a design flaw in one of these machines. They cut costs by using cheaper materials and relaxing manufacturing tolerances. Japanese companies demand higher standards of their Chinese suppliers. The reliability and durability of these bike have not suffered (as much). ____________________ History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men - BOC
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That looks nice. It seems not to be the fastest, but you wouldn't expect that. Keep it clean and tidy, change the oil more often than the manual says, and it should be OK. A lot of the world runs on Taiwanese (which this is AFAIK), Chinese and Korean bikes like this. I'd ride it for a bit of fun and because of its looks. Not plasticky, looks simple, easy access to bits.
Not keen on cruiser style (sorry EZX/someone else!).
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Posted: 11:28 - 18 Jan 2021 Post subject: The perfect City Bike |
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Hi Everybody,
I'm looking for a Citybike, that ist fast and easy to handle in the city. Do you have any reccomandations? |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 98 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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