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Robby
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage. It's amusing to me because I see exactly the same approach in my parents and in-laws. In their case it was to spend their working lives being mortgage slaves, but also continually trading up on the houses.

I'm not doing that. I'm not waiting until the mortgage is paid off before enjoying my money, because that will just make me tight and bitter.

Likewise, I don't really understand the mindset of spending nothing, saving everything, to retire early. If your job is that shit, do something more interesting.

I make enough to pay for everything I need to, and then a bit to save. When I have enough in the savings for something shiny, or some kind of work on the house, I spend it. The safety net is kept small, if something goes seriously wrong with the house or a vehicle I have insurance.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage. It's amusing to me because I see exactly the same approach in my parents and in-laws. In their case it was to spend their working lives being mortgage slaves, but also continually trading up on the houses.

I'm not doing that. I'm not waiting until the mortgage is paid off before enjoying my money, because that will just make me tight and bitter.

Likewise, I don't really understand the mindset of spending nothing, saving everything, to retire early. If your job is that shit, do something more interesting.

I make enough to pay for everything I need to, and then a bit to save. When I have enough in the savings for something shiny, or some kind of work on the house, I spend it. The safety net is kept small, if something goes seriously wrong with the house or a vehicle I have insurance.


I agree with this, it's pretty balanced. I see it as I only have one life so I am going to enjoy it as much as I can while I still can. It's one of the reasons why I don't really care about what people think of me: I'm not going to be thinking about them on my death bed am I?

It is a balance though, find some financial stability and build up something so that you can retire early and enjoy it.

For myself, I am happy if I can pay off my mortgage, get a modest holiday home in Lanzarote, have a nice bike and a decent car.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat_Angry_Scotsman wrote:

I agree with this, it's pretty balanced. I see it as I only have one life so I am going to enjoy it as much as I can while I still can.


I'm not even going as far as enjoying it as much as I can. I like to keep it balanced, and have a reasonable approach to risk. Most risks can be covered with fairly cheap insurance. Really high impact, low likelihood ones - well I could cover against them by keeping silly money in the bank, but they are low likelihood. If any of them happen, I have bigger problems, and I'll deal with it as and when it happens.

One thing I avoid is any kind of "investment", because to me they fall into two broad categories - cock-all return, or a reasonable chance of a big loss. I don't mind if my money doesn't make any money of its own, but I know I would feel the loss a lot more than any gain.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage.


That's not the case though is it? Despite me having a personal challenge to avoid credit except mortgages, I still have all the things I really want. I don't wear designer clothes, I don't ride in £2000 Alpinestars airbag suits, I don't have a PS5 or an Xbox one series X, I don't buy the latest games, but I do still play games. I do still ride, and I do still have clothes. I think that's the big difference between myself and a lot of people.

Alvin Hall is a money adviser guy who used to have a TV show years ago, and he reckoned you should have 3 month salary in savings at all times in case something unforeseen happens. I think that's just fairly good sense to be honest.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage. It's amusing to me because I see exactly the same approach in my parents and in-laws. In their case it was to spend their working lives being mortgage slaves, but also continually trading up on the houses.


The operative thing there is 'parents and parents in law'

There is a biological incentive to do the best you can for your offspring.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage. It's amusing to me because I see exactly the same approach in my parents and in-laws..


You’re right, to a degree.
Yes , some of us have tightened our belts and paid of the mortgage.
Now I can breathe a little easier regarding safety of having a place to live.
Also those that have paid off thier mortgages also benefit from lower financial outgoings.
More money for playtime Smile Thumbs Up

Don’t want a bigger house, don’t need a bigger house. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britabroad wrote:
my toy (lil red Corvette) is 23yrs old & cost me $9k.


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PostPosted: 19:08 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britabroad wrote:
l look down on poor people just because l can!

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britabroad wrote:
Same here, but why would l spend $2000 on a Klim suit


Not gonna lie, I am genuinely considering buying the new Klim Kodiak jacket and trousers though Embarassed
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy nice things. Especially where nice = longer lasting, more useful, better at the task at hand etc. I just happen to have some things that cost 5% of the cost of brand name things that do the job well enough for me.

For example, I could have gone for a Rukka Navigator suit which I believe is £2000 or something like that, but instead I got a Ixion jacket and no brand waterproof armoured overtrousers for £100, which seem to be waterproof and warm so far...?

I am just careful to know what I want, what I'm prepared to settle for and what is a priority. For example, I recently watched a Youtube video by a car Youtuber who was talking about stereo systems. He was showing a £60,000 stereo system, and saying stuff like "And you can even connect to it with Bluetooth!" Well, when sending audio over Bluetooth, it's compressed, so you won't hear any benefit over a system costing £50 let alone £5000 or anything in between. The cables alone cost £9000. I'm fairly certain the electrons don't travel any differently in £9000 cables than they do in £900 or even £90 cables.

I have an £80 ebay special amp, no CD player, no MP3 player etc, I just connect it to my PC - it also has bluetooth capability, and I use it with cheapish cable with my 1995 vintage JVC 80 watt (RMS) speakers. It sounds good enough for me. I don't think most people have ears that can actually hear the difference in a £60,000 stereo... and I work in the professional video and audio industry! Nobody I work with (even the 'creatives' would really claim otherwise. They swear by £1000 audio monitors to hang off of their professional audio gear... not £8000 a pair speakers.

I would like a nice car, and by nice I mean VERY nice, but I'm saving for it. I'm also aware that if I had kids I probably couldn't afford to do that, I'd have to settle for a car that worked and was reliable rather than something special. *shrug*.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 15 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britabroad wrote:
May it be worth you importing them?? Looks like a good discount on the jacket.


I am waiting till I lose a little more weight and settle first, but I would definitely move on this in the next few months.

Decision time will be on the availability of UK vendors in the right size versus getting shafted on VAT and import duty bringing it in from the US. I don't think I have ever got anything from the US for under UK retail prices once VAT and Duty (and the obligatory "handling fee") have been levied.

I regularly import some weeb shit from Japan and I've never had VAT or Import Duty levied on a single thing. I may be wrong, but I think there's a Trade Agreement or Treaty at play in that case.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 16 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:

Likewise, I don't really understand the mindset of spending nothing, saving everything, to retire early. If your job is that shit, do something more interesting.


It's not a case of job being that shit.

It's a case of if I can retire around 55 and spend my time sat on a roof terrace over looking the Med, that seems a far better option than owning slightly fancier shit now, retiring at 70 and dying in a miserable damp UK winter, scratching pennies together because rather than making the money work and grow when younger it was all jizzed up the wall in interest payments on a load of fancy shit that doesn't matter.

Mortgage is the same. Why on earth do you want to be worrying about maintaining a level of income to cover it for 20/25/whatever years, if you can actually clear it in 8? It seems insane to me and if the answer is "to spare money to finance a firebusa, 65" telly and an iPhone", then the person answering could win a headbutting competition against a steel plate.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 16 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

There is a biological incentive to do the best you can for your offspring.


Blasphemy against the socialist propaganda, of course.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 16 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:

Mortgage is the same. Why on earth do you want to be worrying about maintaining a level of income to cover it for 20/25/whatever years, if you can actually clear it in 8? It seems insane to me and if the answer is "to spare money to finance a firebusa, 65" telly and an iPhone", then the person answering could win a headbutting competition against a steel plate.


It's also, in general, a pretty massive saving.

A £200k mortgage at a relatively sensible 2.5% interest rate is ~£70k in interest if left over 25 years. Repayment of ~£900 a month.

If you paid ~£1200 a month there's circa £25k saving in interest and the mortgage disappears some 7 years earlier. That's 7 years you can be paying into your pension at a fairly hefty tax saving, instead.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 16 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
wr6133 wrote:

Mortgage is the same. Why on earth do you want to be worrying about maintaining a level of income to cover it for 20/25/whatever years, if you can actually clear it in 8? It seems insane to me and if the answer is "to spare money to finance a firebusa, 65" telly and an iPhone", then the person answering could win a headbutting competition against a steel plate.


It's also, in general, a pretty massive saving.

A £200k mortgage at a relatively sensible 2.5% interest rate is ~£70k in interest if left over 25 years. Repayment of ~£900 a month.

If you paid ~£1200 a month there's circa £25k saving in interest and the mortgage disappears some 7 years earlier. That's 7 years you can be paying into your pension at a fairly hefty tax saving, instead.


I regret taking my mortgage out over a longer period to keep the payment down, I have so much disposable income I would rather have paid more per month and reduced the term significantly. I am now stuck into it for the initial term and my provider punishes on charges and limits the amount of overpayment you can make. Going to change to a more forgiving provider when possible.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 16 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat_Angry_Scotsman wrote:

I regret taking my mortgage out over a longer period to keep the payment down, I have so much disposable income I would rather have paid more per month and reduced the term significantly. I am now stuck into it for the initial term and my provider punishes on charges and limits the amount of overpayment you can make. Going to change to a more forgiving provider when possible.


Have a look at offset mortgages. Best thing I ever did TBH. The flexibility is winner.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 16 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't feel broke, I buy what I want when I want it / need it, I don't tend to struggle with money, there is plenty in the bank and I own my house, so I'd say I'm doing well above average.

I don't dress well, I don't really go out and I live at my desk, part work, part gaming. I drive a shitbox car because a nice car isn't something that interests me and if I was to buy a car, it would be something outrageous like an Aston or Supra, something equally flamboyant... so I just don't.

I haven't suffered in the slightest since the pandemic, its almost to the point where I could probably stop working and be OK, so again, probably well above average, but thats what a near fatal bike accident gets you. Neutral
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