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Robby Dirty Old Man
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There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage. It's amusing to me because I see exactly the same approach in my parents and in-laws. In their case it was to spend their working lives being mortgage slaves, but also continually trading up on the houses.
I'm not doing that. I'm not waiting until the mortgage is paid off before enjoying my money, because that will just make me tight and bitter.
Likewise, I don't really understand the mindset of spending nothing, saving everything, to retire early. If your job is that shit, do something more interesting.
I make enough to pay for everything I need to, and then a bit to save. When I have enough in the savings for something shiny, or some kind of work on the house, I spend it. The safety net is kept small, if something goes seriously wrong with the house or a vehicle I have insurance. |
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Robby wrote: | There is an interesting slant in this thread towards the hair-shirt ideology of never enjoying your money and just paying off the mortgage. It's amusing to me because I see exactly the same approach in my parents and in-laws. In their case it was to spend their working lives being mortgage slaves, but also continually trading up on the houses.
I'm not doing that. I'm not waiting until the mortgage is paid off before enjoying my money, because that will just make me tight and bitter.
Likewise, I don't really understand the mindset of spending nothing, saving everything, to retire early. If your job is that shit, do something more interesting.
I make enough to pay for everything I need to, and then a bit to save. When I have enough in the savings for something shiny, or some kind of work on the house, I spend it. The safety net is kept small, if something goes seriously wrong with the house or a vehicle I have insurance. |
I agree with this, it's pretty balanced. I see it as I only have one life so I am going to enjoy it as much as I can while I still can. It's one of the reasons why I don't really care about what people think of me: I'm not going to be thinking about them on my death bed am I?
It is a balance though, find some financial stability and build up something so that you can retire early and enjoy it.
For myself, I am happy if I can pay off my mortgage, get a modest holiday home in Lanzarote, have a nice bike and a decent car. ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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I still have all the things I really want. I don't wear designer clothes, I don't ride in £2000 Alpinestars airbag suits, I don't have a PS5 or an Xbox one series X, I don't buy the latest games, but I do still play games. I do still ride, and I do still have clothes. I think that's the big difference between myself and a lot of people.
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Same here, but why would l spend $2000 on a Klim suit when l have 3 separate jackets for winter, summer & spring/autumn with 2 sets of pants (lightweight & heavyweight), a pair of boots & 2 helmets for less than the cost of being welcomed by the poseur brigade at Starfucks or wherever they linger!
I have a 2nd hand PS3, a 2nd hand Triumph Tiger, & my truck is now 25yrs old & my toy (lil red Corvette) is 23yrs old & cost me $9k.
I search for hours to find the cheapest flights & accommodation, but l am forever grateful that my Grandparents & parents showed me how to be frugal & watch the pennies.
In the USA the average credit card debt ( not including mortgage debt )is $7500, but that average includes people like me who don't owe a cent in debt for anything, so some people must be owing a King's ransom!
I have probably spent more money on beer than some people's mortgages over the years, but l don't regret any of it because that money spent reflected in pure pleasure either on holiday or with my mates down at the local! |
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I'm not saying people shouldn't buy nice things. Especially where nice = longer lasting, more useful, better at the task at hand etc. I just happen to have some things that cost 5% of the cost of brand name things that do the job well enough for me.
For example, I could have gone for a Rukka Navigator suit which I believe is £2000 or something like that, but instead I got a Ixion jacket and no brand waterproof armoured overtrousers for £100, which seem to be waterproof and warm so far...?
I am just careful to know what I want, what I'm prepared to settle for and what is a priority. For example, I recently watched a Youtube video by a car Youtuber who was talking about stereo systems. He was showing a £60,000 stereo system, and saying stuff like "And you can even connect to it with Bluetooth!" Well, when sending audio over Bluetooth, it's compressed, so you won't hear any benefit over a system costing £50 let alone £5000 or anything in between. The cables alone cost £9000. I'm fairly certain the electrons don't travel any differently in £9000 cables than they do in £900 or even £90 cables.
I have an £80 ebay special amp, no CD player, no MP3 player etc, I just connect it to my PC - it also has bluetooth capability, and I use it with cheapish cable with my 1995 vintage JVC 80 watt (RMS) speakers. It sounds good enough for me. I don't think most people have ears that can actually hear the difference in a £60,000 stereo... and I work in the professional video and audio industry! Nobody I work with (even the 'creatives' would really claim otherwise. They swear by £1000 audio monitors to hang off of their professional audio gear... not £8000 a pair speakers.
I would like a nice car, and by nice I mean VERY nice, but I'm saving for it. I'm also aware that if I had kids I probably couldn't afford to do that, I'd have to settle for a car that worked and was reliable rather than something special. *shrug*. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Robby wrote: |
Likewise, I don't really understand the mindset of spending nothing, saving everything, to retire early. If your job is that shit, do something more interesting. |
It's not a case of job being that shit.
It's a case of if I can retire around 55 and spend my time sat on a roof terrace over looking the Med, that seems a far better option than owning slightly fancier shit now, retiring at 70 and dying in a miserable damp UK winter, scratching pennies together because rather than making the money work and grow when younger it was all jizzed up the wall in interest payments on a load of fancy shit that doesn't matter.
Mortgage is the same. Why on earth do you want to be worrying about maintaining a level of income to cover it for 20/25/whatever years, if you can actually clear it in 8? It seems insane to me and if the answer is "to spare money to finance a firebusa, 65" telly and an iPhone", then the person answering could win a headbutting competition against a steel plate. |
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I don't feel broke, I buy what I want when I want it / need it, I don't tend to struggle with money, there is plenty in the bank and I own my house, so I'd say I'm doing well above average.
I don't dress well, I don't really go out and I live at my desk, part work, part gaming. I drive a shitbox car because a nice car isn't something that interests me and if I was to buy a car, it would be something outrageous like an Aston or Supra, something equally flamboyant... so I just don't.
I haven't suffered in the slightest since the pandemic, its almost to the point where I could probably stop working and be OK, so again, probably well above average, but thats what a near fatal bike accident gets you. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 62 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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