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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 29 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’re not understanding the difference between development funded by the UK (plus additional UK support and advice, taking all the inherent risk) and the EU’s tardy purchase order.

Oh, and “The EU” hasn’t exported anything, pharmaceutical plants in nation states have.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 29 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that’s all you’ve got Val, just keep repeating it. It will still never be correct. Are you going to credit Venezuela a share of the vaccine productivity coming out of “the Americas”

Anyway, the Brits will soon be able to turn their attention to saving Europe again. We won’t expect gratitude.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 29 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you pleased with how the EU has handled Covid vaccines? Of course you’re not, how could you be! And yet it’s all about blaming someone else. Childish.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 29 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Novavax: Deal agreed to 'fill and finish' 60 million doses in UK

Oh dear Val, someone else trusts us to make their vaccine. I wonder if it's anything to do with the EU talking about corporate theft putting them off having it made there?

The news that the Novavax vaccine is going to go through a process known as fill and finish in the UK is an interesting development. The original plan was for this to be done in Europe once the vaccine product was manufactured by plants in the north east. But given the threats from Europe about restricting exports of vaccines, it begs all sorts of other questions too.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56570168
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 30 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the BBC can’t hold back the tide of stories supporting the UK’s response and criticising the EU. Here’s another -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56570364
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 30 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Even the BBC can’t hold back the tide of stories supporting the UK’s response and criticising the EU. Here’s another -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56570364


I must admit if I was in charge of AZ i would be saying, 'fuck this free shit, they can start paying properly'. They have been treated disgustingly in my view.

Edited to add....

I do wonder if we are the softest stupidest country in the world at times. Pfizer and co are making a mint out of the pandemic and no one bats an eye. AZ make a cheap vaccine, offer it at coast and are ripped apart for arsepaper and now Glaxo-Kline are going to finish the Novavax vaccine at cost price.

The boss of British pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline’s vaccine division tells the BBC the company’s not intending to make a profit from its tie-up with the vaccine developer Novovax.

We need our bumps read. We (as in the country and the countries companies) won't get an iota of thanks for our altruism so why bother.

Lets go back to being a CUNTry. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 31 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid: Germany limits use of AstraZeneca Covid jab for under-60s

Jesus effing wept. If you don't want it, stop taking it and give the vaccine to us. We will use it, get our people safe and laugh at you for getting you political knickers in a twist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56580728
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 06 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saving the world.... yeah right.

Better of buying drugs off the street, they're safer, AND you'll have a better time.


https://humansarefree.com/2021/06/latest-uk-data-vaccinated-people-3-times-more-likely-to-die-from-delta-variant-than-unvaccinated.html


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/censored-covid-vaccine-victims-demand-answers-private-facebook-group/

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There is something genuinely evil going on here.
In a real "deadly pandemic" no one has to threaten, cajole, scare, or pay you to take the cure.
And that is exactly what is going on.
Considering we have been lied to about everything Covid up to this point,
there is no reason whatsoever to think we are suddenly being told the truth.

Who takes an experimental therapy for a disease with a 99.98% survival rate
when ivermectin is a real cure that costs pennies?
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 06 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:
Saving the world.... yeah right.

Better of buying drugs off the street, they're safer, AND you'll have a better time.


https://humansarefree.com/2021/06/latest-uk-data-vaccinated-people-3-times-more-likely-to-die-from-delta-variant-than-unvaccinated.html


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/censored-covid-vaccine-victims-demand-answers-private-facebook-group/

Quote:
There is something genuinely evil going on here.
In a real "deadly pandemic" no one has to threaten, cajole, scare, or pay you to take the cure.
And that is exactly what is going on.
Considering we have been lied to about everything Covid up to this point,
there is no reason whatsoever to think we are suddenly being told the truth.

Who takes an experimental therapy for a disease with a 99.98% survival rate
when ivermectin is a real cure that costs pennies?


You do know that the number of unvaccinated vulnerable people in the UK is now a tiny proportion of the UK?

And the vaccines doesn't give 100% protection?

Of course the number of people who die that are vaccinated will I crease compared to the unvaccinated.

It's called probability. If the whole population was vaccinated then nobody unvaccinated would die....
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 06 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol... it's clever what you can do with numbers Smile

It's got to the point where the "facts" in any article or essay are barely worth looking at and the first thing to check out is the source/agenda.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 07 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

GettinBetter wrote:
Saving the world.... yeah right.

Better of buying drugs off the street, they're safer, AND you'll have a better time.
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Sigh.

The headline of a blog post, published on June 23 by DC Clothesline, reads: “Vaccinated people found to be 600% more likely to die from covid “variants” than unvaccinated people” (archive.fo/nF2fM).

“Death rate from variant COVID virus six times higher for vaccinated than unvaccinated, UK health data show,” reads a headline from a similar blog published in Life Site News on June 18 (archive.fo/yQAi3).

Referring to data compiled by Public Health England (PHE) in a technical briefing released on June 18 regarding the SARS-CoV-2 variants (here), the authors of the blogs make several calculations.

On page 12 of the briefing, it shows that 26 people have died since February 1 after testing positive for the Delta variant of the virus, having also been fully vaccinated for more than two weeks. In total, 4,087 tested positive more than two weeks after their second dose. Meanwhile, 35,521 people who were unvaccinated tested positive for the Delta variant and 34 people died.

The authors then divide the number of deaths by the total number of people who tested positive for the Delta variant and found the rate of death to be 0.000957 for unvaccinated individuals and 0.00636 for those who have been inoculated.

The logic is flawed, however, and PHE told Reuters that two doses of the vaccine has shown “high levels” of protection against the Delta variant. Reuters also previously addressed the claim that a vaccine makes individuals more vulnerable to variants (here).

“The analysis presented is very misleading and ignores the fact that deaths predominantly occur in older age groups who have had much higher vaccination coverage,” Prof Paul Hunter, Professor in Medicine at Norwich Medical School told Reuters over email (here).

The figures in the blog posts lack context, Dr Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer in infectious diseases and medical virology at the University of St Andrews, told Reuters by email.

In England, approximately 85% of the adult population have had one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 65% are fully inoculated, Dr Cevik said.

“When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated,” she added.

The vaccination program also prioritised “clinically vulnerable” individuals, and thus the majority of those vaccinated will “disproportionately represent elderly and those with underlying comorbidities, who are already at significant risk of hospitalisation and death,” Dr Cevik, said.

The posts do not consider the overall higher number of cases due to the Delta variant for those who are unvaccinated compared to those who are inoculated (here).

The overall rate of infection is much less in vaccinated populations, which “indicates that vaccination is working,” Dr Shamaila Anwar, science communicator with Team Halo, told Reuters (teamhalo.org/).

Another recent PHE report showed high levels of protection against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant among vaccinated people (here).

Vaccines are “highly effective at preventing hospitalisation, so it is vital to get both doses to gain maximum protection against all existing and emerging variants,” the PHE spokesperson told Reuters via email, echoing what was said in the report.

Vaccines don’t fully eliminate the risk of infection and hospitalisation.

“They reduce the risk of symptomatic infection by 60-80%, and if infected they reduce the risk of severe illness and hospitalisation by 90-98%. While vaccines provide significant protection, they are not curatives,” Dr Cervik said.

Dr Robert Bollinger, an infectious disease specialist at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine (here) told Reuters previously that “compared to unvaccinated people, vaccinated people are less likely to get infected by all of the strains, including the variants.” (here)

VERDICT
Missing context. Vaccinated people are not at higher risk of dying from the Delta variant than those who are unvaccinated. The figures were taken out of context from a PHE briefing released in June.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccinated-idUSL2N2OD2CJ

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PostPosted: 17:14 - 07 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried defeating an obviously made up Facebook post recently with facts and logic and was told that Reuters isn't a reputable source for fact checking Shocked I then asked for the source of the Facebook post and it all went quiet...
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