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PostPosted: 09:41 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Asked why her case had not received the level of outrage as Sarah Everard, she said: “Other people have more kudos in this world than people of colour.”


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PostPosted: 14:56 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Asked why her case had not received the level of outrage as Sarah Everard, she said: “Other people have more kudos in this world than people of colour.”


It's like murdered daughters Top Trumps, the Oppressed 2021 edition Doh!


Well, how do you explain it Arry?

Two educated, successful, black women (sisters) randomly stabbed and murdered in a park, their bodies ignored for 2 days, then photographed by Met Police officers and sent round to colleagues as a joke. No vigil, little or no press, no protests.

One white, blonde, middle-class, educated, pretty woman, randomly murdered. Vigils nationwide, protests, government statements, general outpourings of sympathy and agony.

Why were the two cases treated so differently? There's no price on victimhood, but society certainly seems to put a value on murder victims.

Whiteness, blondeness, prettiness = so terrible
Black = so what?
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Class/economic standing. Same as nobody gives a fuck about people being murdered/stabbed/raped/OD'd in the Valleys, or other deprived shit holes. It's not a race issue, if you are poor or from a poorer background nobody gives a fuck. This is not new and has been a feature of all societies since forever.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:


Well, how do you explain it Arry?

Two educated, successful, black women (sisters) randomly stabbed and murdered in a park, their bodies ignored for 2 days, then photographed by Met Police officers and sent round to colleagues as a joke. No vigil, little or no press, no protests.

One white, blonde, middle-class, educated, pretty woman, randomly murdered. Vigils nationwide, protests, government statements, general outpourings of sympathy and agony.

Why were the two cases treated so differently? There's no price on victimhood, but society certainly seems to put a value on murder victims.

Whiteness, blondeness, prettiness = so terrible
Black = so what?


Where to start.

I guess we start with the fact that it's obvious from this thread that the massive overreaction to the death of Sarah Everard from a safety of women perspective is - a massive overreaction - and frankly an embarrassment that the radical types have decided to jump on her death as some sort of martyrdom.

This, in of itself, is the reason why the rest of what you've mentioned followed - vigils, protests, government statements. There have been plenty of white women murdered previously that haven't caused this type of eruption so is it because she was white, or because it was convenient way to launch a ready packaged equality campaign (cough, socialist discontent screeching event)?

If you take out that piece, you're already down to anecdotes rather than facts. You contend that NS/BH deaths weren't in the news - I contend they were in the news plenty, and there was plenty of grief and outpouring. The mother was extremely critical of the police and this meant it got more coverage than you could shake a stick at; she said it was because it was two black girls from the address they lived at and the coppers didn't want to get involved.

I gather from what I read at the time that the girls were found by the family members but since they started searching late on Saturday evening and found them by lunchtime on the Sunday, and they'd only reported the girls missing at the same time as starting the search, I'm not sure there's any evidence for their bodies being 'ignored in the park for 2 days' - after all, according to reports, 'The bodies of both sisters were lying entwined in a hedgerow'. Are you suggesting that people just walked over them and left them be because they were black? Confused

Further, the SE case and the police involvement being of more heft is probably more to do with the circumstances of her disappearance being hugely out of character and the context around that. She was expected to be at point B 50 minutes after being at point A, point B being home, tucked up in bed. It was clear that when she didn't turn up the next morning to meet her boyfriend, who had spoken to her on the phone whilst she made her journey the night before, that she was in immediate danger. The girls were out until 2am partying in a park and nobody - not even their family - went searching for them until the evening of the Saturday. Are we beyond the realms of possibility that two young girls that like to party weren't a bit known for pulling all nighters? Would this not drive different responses?

As for the Met officers suspended - well, I guess that's kind of trumped by SE being actually murdered by one, but you know.

Maybe the case of SE is more outrageous because of who she's been killed by? Perhaps there is a part of her 'whiteness' that is a driver for the shock and outrage that's come from it - but is it because she's white, and we don't care about black people? Or.... is it' maybe......just because.....black people getting stabbed in London is just so bloody common these days whereas the death of a 30 year old white woman is so much less prevalent. Sad, but bloody hell, you'd be having a shit load of vigils if you were going to mop up the blood of black people spilled on London's streets.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would anyone here like to be notified of every rape, murder or other grisly crime that happens? Good luck with your sanity. We get to hear about what the media picks up on, so if some are ignored, blame them. No sane individual wishes such things on others.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I expect the sisters were murdered by a non white. Hence the lack of publicity.


Surname Hussein.

Although I wouldn't say there was a lack of publicity.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 26 Mar 2021    Post subject: Re: Men vs. Women Reply with quote

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Would be nice to get some female input especially!

No point asking me, I think they're all mad cunts.

Some of the protestors will never have had the opportunity to learn how to walk to school on their own. There's now a whole generation of children who have been driven door to door by mummy, and are now grown up and aren't liking what they see of the real world Rolling Eyes Life sucks. Get on with it, luvs.

I like a little bit of civil disobedience in the manner of "you aren't the boss of me!"
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 04 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add a bit of sexism to the thread - They didn't package first officers like this when I was at sea. Wub

Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7A15/production/_117835213_158910156_189247849639860_3493835344417379213_n.jpg

Actually I sailed with a few women at sea in all departments and had a 4th and 5th engineer under me directly <insert compulsory fnar fnar>.

The 4/E was excellent except she used to steal my freon bottle scales to use to check her weight as she was going home to get married so wanted to make sure she would fit in her wedding dress. At least I knew where they were Rolling Eyes .

The 5/E was an Indian lass who was probably the cleverest woman I ever met. A theoretical problem? no problem. The real problem was she was as small as a child and would struggle to undo a 10mm nut and bolt which wasn't much use as a marine engineer. I heard later she went into ship design for the Indian navy. Not surprised at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56615521
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 04 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
arry wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-56450969

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Asked why her case had not received the level of outrage as Sarah Everard, she said: “Other people have more kudos in this world than people of colour.”


It's like murdered daughters Top Trumps, the Oppressed 2021 edition Doh!


Well, how do you explain it Arry?

Two educated, successful, black women (sisters) randomly stabbed and murdered in a park, their bodies ignored for 2 days, then photographed by Met Police officers and sent round to colleagues as a joke. No vigil, little or no press, no protests.

One white, blonde, middle-class, educated, pretty woman, randomly murdered. Vigils nationwide, protests, government statements, general outpourings of sympathy and agony.

Why were the two cases treated so differently? There's no price on victimhood, but society certainly seems to put a value on murder victims.

Whiteness, blondeness, prettiness = so terrible
Black = so what?


It's fuck all to do with the harm or hurt and everything to do with stirring the shite, promoting an alternative agenda or de-stabilising a Status-quo.
It used to just be about selling advertising space in a newspaper.

I am not sure who it is all directed at.
Anyone murdered should always be a concern to any 'human'. (Some of those Darwinian Deaths excepted of course.)
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 04 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, let's get this done once and for all.
Men vs women. Fite. Go!
Whoever has the most left at the end gets the world to run as they want.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 04 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Ok, let's get this done once and for all.
Men vs women. Fite. Go!
Whoever has the most left at the end gets the world to run as they want.


I'm going to fight on the womens side. Last man standing Whistle and all that. (as long as you can still get viagra Laughing )
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 04 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Ok, let's get this done once and for all.
Men vs women. Fite. Go!
Whoever has the most left at the end gets the world to run as they want.


I'm going to fight on the womens side.


I think after a certain age you can be exempt from fighting anyway. And, er, other 'duties'.
Just have a careful think about what kind of world you'll get if the women win though.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Just to add a bit of sexism to the thread - They didn't package first officers like this when I was at sea. Wub

Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'



I'll definitely be thinking of her next time I need a tug . . . Mr. Green

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