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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 12 Apr 2021    Post subject: Stuck key, any ideas? Reply with quote

Hi all,
Im getting rid of a load of bits that I've hoarded since the millennium so sorting out bits that have a value & those that can get chucked.

So, key stuck in ignition.
Won't turn in any direction.
Been there at least 20yrs but looks like I've never used it.
I'm gonna presume key is the right key
I've also got a fuel tank lock that I think matches it, so it might come in handy one day or I can sell it once I've got the key out & id'd it (I've narrowed it down to about 4 Different bikes).
Any ideas?
Somethings telling me not to squirt wd40 or 3 in 1 oil into it but can't remember why?
& obviously I can't heat it up (plastic bits)

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the ignition switch connected / wired up?
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD40 will not harm your ignition switch. I would lubricate the key slot as best as possible, then see if I could find a way to use a slide hammer to extract the key, possibly in combination with a pair of locking pliers.
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PostPosted: 02:22 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Is the ignition switch connected / wired up?

No.
It's a new switch I bought years ago & never used.


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GAZ
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of penetrating oil and time soak fiddle soak rest soak fiddle and on
WD40 is OK but there are better penetrating oils
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
jaffa90 wrote:
Is the ignition switch connected / wired up?

No.
It's a new switch I bought years ago & never used.


cheers,
GAZ


I would soak it in diesel oil for a few weeks then swill out with white spirit.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soak it with penetrating oil and work the key gently wiggling it as you go. It's probably accumulated crap jamming one or more of the lock wafers. Patience is essential to avoid fatigue in the key metal.

Once it's out flush the keyway thoroughly with brake cleaner or similar to flush out the oil and dirt and then lubricate either with graphite (no it won't cause electrical shorts - the switch is a separate unit from the lock) or a proprietary lock lubricant.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, soak in Penetrating oil (not plain old WD40, wlthough the WD40 company make a penetrating fluid). Plusgas, Comma release oil, aforementioned WD stuff all work.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I's soak it in a mix of paraffin and ATF as a penetrant. I'd probably put it in a jam jar full and leave it to sit.

Once it's moving freely, as Islander said, thoroughly de-grease then lube appropriately (silicone spray is good). Isopropyl alcohol would be a good de-greaser in this situation.

Another thing to consider is giving it a blast in an ultrasonic cleaner. Might rattle stuff loose.

I've seen some locks that have a small hole in the bottom you can get a fine punch into and tap the key out. Obviously this risks having both a key AND a snapped off punch stuck in your lock.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 13 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is broken off where you cannot get a grip of it, you could try a broken key extractor.
They are spring steel picks with rear facing teeth on the ends that are poked down the side of the broken key and then pulled out.
Rear Facing teeth grip on the key metal. They are assorted sizes and designs in a set.

Amazon £4

And WD40.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 14 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
If it is broken off where you cannot get a grip of it, you could try a broken key extractor.
They are spring steel picks with rear facing teeth on the ends that are poked down the side of the broken key and then pulled out.
Rear Facing teeth grip on the key metal. They are assorted sizes and designs in a set.

Amazon £4

And WD40.


This worked for me on my old CBF1000 petrol cap!
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 16 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,
Success!
Thanks for the suggestions.
Couple of days, squirting 3-in-1 oil in every orifice repeatedly seems to have freed the key as I've got it out!

But it won't turn yet, I'll keep at it though.

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 17 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
Hi all,
Success!
Thanks for the suggestions.
Couple of days, squirting 3-in-1 oil in every orifice repeatedly seems to have freed the key as I've got it out!

But it won't turn yet, I'll keep at it though.

cheers,
GAZ


Then it was broken in the barrel as it is not the correct key/cut. Very Happy

You need the lock picking lawyer.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 17 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:
Hi all,
Success!
Thanks for the suggestions.
Couple of days, squirting 3-in-1 oil in every orifice repeatedly seems to have freed the key as I've got it out!

But it won't turn yet, I'll keep at it though.

cheers,
GAZ


Flush the lock through with brake cleaner to get all the crap out then lube it and try again. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 17 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
stirlinggaz wrote:
Hi all,
Success!
Thanks for the suggestions.
Couple of days, squirting 3-in-1 oil in every orifice repeatedly seems to have freed the key as I've got it out!

But it won't turn yet, I'll keep at it though.

cheers,
GAZ


Then it was broken in the barrel as it is not the correct key/cut. Very Happy

You need the lock picking lawyer.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ


He's quite something. If you're interested in locksport then Bosnian Bill is worth a watch too. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 17 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
MCN wrote:


He's quite something. If you're interested in locksport then Bosnian Bill is worth a watch too. Very Happy


https://youtu.be/t2l4PVJkhzQ
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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 27 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


Then it was broken in the barrel as it is not the correct key/cut. Very Happy

You need the lock picking lawyer.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ

Nope, definitely correct key(s).
I bought it about 20yrs ago but ended up not using it.
I put the key in the barrel so I didn't get it mixed up with all the other ignition locks I have.
The box is damaged & unreadable so might have got wet.
I don't think I bought a matching matching fuel cap or seat lock.
Anyway, its now working, finally.
After getting the key out, I left it soaking in atf/parrafin & finally got around to it over w/end.
It's now turning fine & steering locks working, which I think was the problem.
Cleaned it up with brake cleaner & it will now sit for another 20yrs beside all the other things that will "come in handy some day".
Thanks to all for the advice.

cheers,
GAZ
ps : lock picking lawyer is cool, seen loads of his vids.
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