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Would you buy an electric motor bike ? |
Hell No, I love the smell and noise of a combustion engine. |
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Why not, its saving kittens and puppies. |
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36% |
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Id rather buy an electric bicycle |
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MarJay wrote: | Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | A 200 mile range at what speed? |
Apologies it's actually a 120 mile range. But they haven't actually built the bike yet.... They just have the drivetrain and battery and controllers on the bench I think. |
And it turns out it's 17.8bhp and 100kgs more?
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If it were free and it did everything my 9 does but better, I'd be on it like a bonnet. If it had more range, accelerated faster, had a higher top end, steered more accurately, stopped more easily, weighed less, and looked right, I'd rarely ride anything else.
They're tools - albeit tools to create enjoyment. And the ones that get that job done better than others are the ones that in my hands would get the use.
True, I do like my bike's sound, totally stock so not noisy - just a hint of menace at idle, and some beefy induction racket around 7k, and a lusty howl into five figures. On the other hand, I love the fact that it's mostly quite a refined motor, and really pretty quiet for the most part. I've come to appreciate quieter bikes recently, so a lecky fvkka wouldn't be so bad, I reckon. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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The problem with EVs is they underdeliver. "100 mile range" translates to more like 60 miles in The Real World™ (and that's with a brand new battery) whereas my XSR is quoted as doing 55mpg and I've managed to get more like 75mpg with some careful M-way/A-road riding.
TBH range is not the issue. "They say 100 miles but..." is not outside the realm of incremental improvement so in 10 years battery tech combined with better range estimations could conceivably get you 100 "real" miles. Just saying that it's a believable goal.
Recharge time is the Achilles Heal. Can you get batteries to charge 80% capacity in 5 mins? Sure! They've done it on phones for ages but scale that up to bikes (and especially cars) and you're looking at necessary upgrades to the electrical grid. As it is we don't technically have enough parking for all the cars we have in urban areas, actual charging capacity for EVs is a joke!
However, looking at the 2030/2035 legislation I'm reading it as "no more pure ICE from 2030 and zero emissions from 2035" that implies traditional EVs but I don't think that precludes something like hydrogen fuel cars It does kill related tech like methane fuel cells as they generate CO2
Ultimately with "I want the Moon-on-stick [zero emissions]" I'd ask at what price? "Blank cheque!" No, that can't be good ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Nope, we'll be saddled with no choice but to buy electric garbage soon enough as one by one our freedoms are
stripped away from us by our 'masters'. As such, I relish every possible opportunity to do anything that goes directly
against the whims of the nanny state . I'm a bit of a shit like that, I can't help myself. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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The old arguments still keep coming out and there is. at present no answer to them.
OK, 20 people go out for a Sunday group howl to a popular biker cafe where there are already another 50 bikes, all wanting a recharge. Is even the Ace cafe going o fit more than a couple of charge points?
The infrastructure for electric cars is nowhere near in place. There are 245000 pure electric cars in UK. There are a total of 32,697,408 cars registered in the UK. Who is going to put charging points in bike friendly locations when there are potentially 32 million cars to be charged by 2035.
A commuter bike you can charge overnight in a garage at home, great, I can see that being very popular especially for London and other big cities. A big old tourer going around Europe like I did on my Goldwing? It's dead in the water.
Just to boor you all I have been doing studies into this with boats going electric because the Canal and River Trust have been putting forward their plans to go 'green' (read electric) by 2035. It's a total joke unless you allow hybrids as no one id going to put electric recharging bollards on 2500 mile of inland waterways.
#From boating point of view HVO is the only practical way but thats diesel replacement, not petrol.
HVO, which is marketed by Neste Oil as “the highest quality diesel in the world,” stands for Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil: renewable diesel produced in the process of hydrogenation, i.e. treatment with hydrogen. ... The main product of the HVO process is the, so called, Green Diesel.
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I don't think there's going to be much in the way of private vehicle ownership. There'll be companies doing deliveries of goods and services, mostly generated by online orders, and public transport. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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That's ok though because the top tier is going to be so tiny relatively, they could use two-stroke-powered jumbo passenger liners and we'd still have reduced pollution to negligible amounts overall. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Tax these massive SUVs to the point of extinction. This way every shit driver will not have to over compensate, and might feel safer in smaller vehicles as the mass disparity in an accident will mean lighter safety structures would be less of an issue.
It would also reduce particulate matter originating from huge tyres and brake pads, such emissions are conveniently overlooked when people bang on about electric milk floats.
On top of this, acceleration and energy usage would improve, resources wouldn't be depleted at the current rate, and the driving dynamics would improve, more cars could fit in any given car park or traffic jam, and they might actually be more fun to drive than a 2+ ton laptop battery on wheels.
If you need a 4WD 3 ton wagon to lug about your huge family or business, it should also be limited to 55mph like any other HGV, thus reducing kinetic energy in an impact and reducing energy use. ____________________
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 312 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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