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Quick, shut down the heretic!
Best way to do it is probably to go off on a tangent ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Quick, shut down the heretic!
Best way to do it is probably to go off on a tangent |
I thought it best not to dwell on the imminent zombie apocalypse or ask why “they” wanted to kill us all. |
Well, "they" might be racist I suppose ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I have a question:
Is natural immunity from having had Covid, and immunity from having the vaccines the same thing? Or is there a functional difference between the two? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I'm no biological scientist |
Dang!
Is Bret Weinstein a better source than BCF? Surely not?! ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Easy-X wrote: | "They" (the Chinese) didn't want to kill us all they just wanted to clear out all the deadwood: the elderly, seriously ill... and black ppl |
“They” are apparently our own scientists sponsored by our own governments. Why do they want us dead? |
When you two have figured out who "they" are, and what "they" want, will you let the rest of us know? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | When you two have figured out who "they" are, and what "they" want, will you let the rest of us know? |
I’m getting my info from Pigeon’s links. |
I have no idea, I don't look at anyone's links ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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No two people will make structurally exactly the same antibody in response to either the vaccine or the virus.
The immune system works by producing randomly folded protein chains on the end of antibody molecules (there is a wonderfully complex system for producing these). These protein chans have binding sites, effectively making them potentially "sticky" if they encounter another protein of the approriate shape (think of it as being like a piece of a jigsaw floating about in the body waiting for a matching piece to come along).
So the body produces a whole load of random antibodies stuck to the outside of white blood cells which wander about in your system looking for something to stick to. There is also a mechanism to delete ones that react against its own tissues.
If one of those antibodies chemically bonds to something (such as a viral spike protein), the antibody molecule binds, changes shape as it binds and becomes activated. It's cell releases second messengers which attract other cells in the immune system which attach to help attack the foreign protein, they also absorb parts of the virus and in destroying it, expose more viral proteins to the immune system. At the same time, the cell which produced that antibody is targetted for replication.
So. If you followed that. The vaccines do not tell the body to make something new as such, they activate one or more of the low number of randomly arranged immune molecules already present in the body and cause it to be replicated in large volumes. There is a mechanism by which these now specific antibodies are stored, ready for if they encounter that protein again, you are now "immunised".
The vaccine, by definition, can only result in antibodies specific to that viral spike protein. Exposure to wild virus will potentially produce a wider range of different antibodies to other parts of the virus. If the spike has mutated slightly, a different antibody might be produced by the body that binds more strongly than the one the vaccine induced. However, providing the vaccine antibody still binds, it will quickly alert the immune system to the presence of the virus so the process of making the new antibody will be speeded up. You'll then retain BOTH types of immunity. It's not either-or. The body will build on the existing immunity.. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Are people who have had Covid getting vaccinated? Would there be any point?
Nobby, where did you read that information? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Sorry, you missed my edit, my fault for messing around later (isn't it Jimbo? ).
Would there be any point in having the vaccine if you had natural immunity from having had the disease in whatever level of severity?
Since we hear about number of cases so much, i.e. people who have tested positive at one time or another, do all these people need to be vaccinated? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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stinkwheel wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Are people who have had Covid getting vaccinated? Would there be any point?
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Yes, it would re-enforce the existing immunity, effectively acting as a "booster" by increasing the level of circulating antibody, which wane over time because constantly maintaining high antibody levels uses up resources. Your body probably doesn't have high levels of antibody to a cold virus you encountered as a child.
It may also lead to production of additional or different antibodies. The ones it made initially may not bind as well as the ones the vaccine produces. As above, no two people will make exactly the same antibody molecule. Some may be better than others. More is more. A broader spectrum of immunity will help in the case of mutations. |
So in the case of someone with a compromised immune system is the vaccine less effective? ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Sorry, you missed my edit, my fault for messing around later (isn't it Jimbo? ). |
A belated but unflagged edit? Grrr!
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 305 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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