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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Freddyfruitbat wrote: |
Imagine that crash helmets weren't compulsory in the UK, and we were having this discussion about helmets, rather than airvests,,, you could substitute "helmets" for "airbag vests" in your statement above, couldn't you? But maybe that's OK? |
Yes. I could and I would. My oppinion on mandatory helmet use is well documented.
Anyone who hasn't fitted a 5-point harness in their car in place of the inertia reel seatbelt should have a long think before climbing up on their high horse about that because 5-point harnesses have a better proven safety benefit and are cheaper than a motorcycle helmet. Unless you just don't want one because they are inconvenient, uncomfortable and restrict your peripheral vision...
Anyway, I was making the point that many people want to buy safety rather than learn it. If you had £150 to spend on making yourself safer on your bike. Training would be the number 1 best return on your money. The less experienced the rider, the more benefit you'll get. I'm not saving don't buy an airbag but remember it is at best a marginal gain and only comes into play after you already had a crash. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Freddyfruitbat wrote: | stinkwheel wrote: | Which is more likely to prevent you dying in a motorcycle crash. An airbag vest or an IAM advanced riding qualification |
But you forgot a third option - an airbag vest AND advanced training.
Other than cost, why are the two apparently mutually exclusive?
stinkwheel wrote: | People have been falling off motorcycles without airbag vests and not dying for a long time now. |
Imagine that crash helmets weren't compulsory in the UK, and we were having this discussion about helmets, rather than airvests,,, you could substitute "helmets" for "airbag vests" in your statement above, couldn't you? But maybe that's OK?
I'll happily admit to wearing a Helite Turtle vest; have done for several years now. No it's not particularly cool and people sometimes take the piss a bit, but wearing it affects my enjoyment of riding a bike not one iota.
Every time the topic of airbag vests comes up we get this mantra that training, experience, rider abiity etc is far more important. If so, should we all get trained up and wear T-shirts, shorts and flipflops to ride our bikes all summer? The answer from 99% of riders would be 'no', because there's a recognition that what we do carries a quantifiable risk of at some stage sliding down the road on our arses, no matter how good a rider we think we are, so we wear protective gear to mitigate the outcome of that. All that an airbag vest represents is another level beyond the basic helmet/boots/gloves/riding suit combo that most riders wear - I just think it's simply up to individuals where they choose to draw their own personal line as regards the level of gear they use.
(FWIW - I documented here my own experience of my airvest getting deployed a few years ago. tl;dr - judging by my mashed helmet, the paramedics reckoned I'd have ended up with a busted neck without it, rather than a few sore ribs and a broken collarbone.) |
So, definitely worth the cost then. ____________________ Honda Novio, Puch Grand Prix, Suzuki AP50, CZ 125, Wassell 125, Montesa 348,Honda 125TDC, Suzuki 100ER, Suzuki GSF650 Bandit, Aprillia Pegaso, Honda PCX125, Honda Forza300, BMW G310 GS, Suzuki SFV650, Honda CB500X
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Especially if they ride a scooter. |
I ride a Scooter.. ____________________ Honda Novio, Puch Grand Prix, Suzuki AP50, CZ 125, Wassell 125, Montesa 348,Honda 125TDC, Suzuki 100ER, Suzuki GSF650 Bandit, Aprillia Pegaso, Honda PCX125, Honda Forza300, BMW G310 GS, Suzuki SFV650, Honda CB500X
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Brava210 wrote: | Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Especially if they ride a scooter. |
I ride a Scooter.. |
Then safety is the least of your worries ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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"Then safety is the least of your worries "
Envy is not an attractive trait ____________________ Honda Novio, Puch Grand Prix, Suzuki AP50, CZ 125, Wassell 125, Montesa 348,Honda 125TDC, Suzuki 100ER, Suzuki GSF650 Bandit, Aprillia Pegaso, Honda PCX125, Honda Forza300, BMW G310 GS, Suzuki SFV650, Honda CB500X
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Brava210 wrote: | "Then safety is the least of your worries "
Envy is not an attractive trait |
Get a proper bike then ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | Brava210 wrote: | "Then safety is the least of your worries "
Envy is not an attractive trait |
Get a proper bike then |
Don't tell me, you have a "proper bike"? ____________________ Honda Novio, Puch Grand Prix, Suzuki AP50, CZ 125, Wassell 125, Montesa 348,Honda 125TDC, Suzuki 100ER, Suzuki GSF650 Bandit, Aprillia Pegaso, Honda PCX125, Honda Forza300, BMW G310 GS, Suzuki SFV650, Honda CB500X
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I have an in&motion airbag vest and set it off run-starting my friend's R1. Big old bang, thought the bike started but turns out the bang wasn't his exhaust. |
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At the moment, what I have is an elaborate shed ornament ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I know three GS riders - one an ex-cop, another a rospa gold guy and a third an iam observer. All riding 20k+ a year. All wearing air vest jobs. None of them wearing hi-vis shit. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Commuting in the UK on a bike is easy, so meh. |
On a Scooter, yes it is.... ____________________ Honda Novio, Puch Grand Prix, Suzuki AP50, CZ 125, Wassell 125, Montesa 348,Honda 125TDC, Suzuki 100ER, Suzuki GSF650 Bandit, Aprillia Pegaso, Honda PCX125, Honda Forza300, BMW G310 GS, Suzuki SFV650, Honda CB500X
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 274 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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