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Quote: | I could go into the intricate details behind wheel balancing, but let’s be honest you’re not interested in sitting in a City & Guilds lecture are you. |
Quote: | if the simplicity of the following article annoys you then tough! …. It has been written in this manner for a reason, please refrain from becoming a keyboard warrior and sending emails pointing out some random technicality |
Quote: | if you are still here, then big kudos to you for wanting to learn something new (it says a lot about your character) |
Quote: | I am sure there will be the purists out there that are spitting feathers over this article for not being scientifically or technically accurate |
Umm, yeah, OK. I remember now why I decided to learn to work on my own bike and to replace my own tyres.
Anyway, I don't balance my wheels at all because I don't currently have a bike that could be termed "fast". It seems fine. |
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Yeah, I had to skip over that crap. I'm only interested in the science, or his version of it. More to the point the up and down centrally was pretty much a no brainer, but the side to side interested me. I used my electric bike for a couple of days last week seeing as my Honda was wheeless, and about 18mph < when I take my hands off the handlebars it starts to wobble, and very quickly gets too bad to leave, replacing my hands recovers it. Using the theory in the vid, I quicly realised I'd added some reflectors to the spokes at 180 degree intervals and on opposite sides. It didn't cancel out as I first thought, but summed together to make it quite bad.
Bhud wrote: | Anyway, I don't balance my wheels at all because I don't currently have a bike that could be termed "fast". It seems fine. |
Fair enough, I was just wondering. |
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Always balance wheels.
Much simpler to balance the wheel when the tyre is fitted than having to take the hoowur off to balance it after you found out it needs balanced.
The cost is negligible versus the hassle and phaph of a re-do.
And most tyres will need balancing.
They use natural products and density consistency can cause some out-of-balance. Or out-of-roundness.
The tyre manufacturers even give you a big clue by testing after production and painting part best matched up with the tyre valve. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Ah, cool.
No triangles but got a yellow 'o' on the back one, so will keep that in mind when fitting.
Too late for the front, which has a red dot, although its about 50mm from the valve.
Thanks for the info guys. |
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I use the first item, before I bought it I supported the spindle of the bike between two chairs to balance.
I always balance, as I do high speeds. Even at 70mph, if the front wheel is 5 to 10g out this will transmit to your hands through the bars and make long journeys less comfortable. You might not notice it on shorter runs. But if you can feel it, your wheel bearings and other components can too.
Much more speed than that, and you can get the bounce of the tyre amplifying the imbalance as a harmonic feedback, push through that and the jack hammer can go away.
I fitted and balanced a front tyre the other day, and it has vibration about 90mph, It'll need to come off and re-checked. This is why tyre shops use better equipment. ____________________
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Posted: 15:36 - 12 Sep 2021 Post subject: |
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I never bother,
But in the case of one bike if I stand on the footrests, and look over the front- the front wheel shifts side to side at least half an inch so i've got bigger problems.. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S.
Current: 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 (bored to 295cc) - 38k, 1990 MZ ETZ251 - 49k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 9k, 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 17k. |
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Just to add, it also helps when you're balancing tyres to check for where the manufacturer marks the light spot with a red dot.
But not all need or have it.
I find what helps the most though, is not to lose any rim protectors as they fall inside the tyre
I'd had trouble balancing the front recently, noticed the rim protector had gone missing. Put two and two together eventually, took the sliced up pipe out of the tyre, all good ____________________
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If red dots are for light spot I guess if a tyre has any at all, there is usually only one- does the colour of the spot signify anything, or just the presence of the spot being there at all tell you which way to put it?
What is yellow spot for? Heavy side? ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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For some reason Michelin do not indicate on the sidewall of any tyre that I have bought from them.So it makes balancing them more important,especially on the R1 front wheel
https://i.postimg.cc/WbwmGLtL/20170401-160527.jpg
I also make an effort to get it right on the Exup
https://i.postimg.cc/tJJTYMS6/2014-11-15-16-36-56.jpg
Back wheels are not so critical,but is also worth checking.Otherwise the rear shock will have more of a problem keeping it in contact with the road surface. ____________________ Just talk bikes.What else is there?
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 205 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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