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PostPosted: 13:40 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


(Their claims and numbers might be entirely fictional. Laughing)


The entire world is fiction at the moment. I refuse to believe it can be reality when it's this stupid. The book and movie will never sell Folded arms
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

8000 is fuck all. Wetherspoons would have furloughed most of their 43,000 employees. Just Dwp have about 85,000 empoyees.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

In real terms it's 0.15% of the total number of public sector employees.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cable Tie wrote:


This is exactly the game the Tories are playing now as well though. They've shifted further left of Blair's Labour by buying votes. Now they're there, they're trying to keep the votes with ridiculous and unachievable green claims.



That isn't a Labour tactic at all, Labours eternal problem is what they offer by the very nature of being progressive costs. Vote buting is the traditional tactic of the Conservative party. It's alway been a mystery how a party gets into power that represents the interests of the very rich, a tiny minority. It's always been done by buying votes, just like their pals in the city they buy when the market is cheap then sell out later and profit. We all know that somewhere down the road those new blue voters the Tories bought with Brexit will be sold down the river.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Cable Tie wrote:


This is exactly the game the Tories are playing now as well though. They've shifted further left of Blair's Labour by buying votes. Now they're there, they're trying to keep the votes with ridiculous and unachievable green claims.



That isn't a Labour tactic at all, Labours eternal problem is what they offer by the very nature of being progressive costs. Vote buting is the traditional tactic of the Conservative party. It's alway been a mystery how a party gets into power that represents the interests of the very rich, a tiny minority. It's always been done by buying votes, just like their pals in the city they buy when the market is cheap then sell out later and profit. We all know that somewhere down the road those new blue voters the Tories bought with Brexit will be sold down the river.

Laughing You mean what Labour offers is uncosted. Thumbs Up

I’m also reminded of the audience member on Question Time who berated the Labour Party for going after his money, not realising that at £80k he was a member of the very rich. They never explain how they’re going to tax the minority super-rich without changing the law or driving them and their money out of the country. “Ordinary people” would have to pay, not the super rich, not even the very rich.

The UK’s two-party pendulum politics works because it keeps us somewhere in the middle on average, and avoids an ineffective coalition. I used to think the Libs deserved a shot and would bring the best of both worlds but in fact when they offer ‘the middle ground’ no one knows what that actually means. Clegg’s weak contribution to the Con-Lib coalition didn’t help. Labour’s current weak opposition is keeping the pendulum to one side as well, which ought to be unfortunate, although I’m not unhappy with what the Tories are doing at the moment. It’ll go bad without restraint though.
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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
It’ll go bad without restraint though.


Well that's the whole point of neo-liberalism. It wont be bad for the few that the Tories work for though.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 13 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't half have some scumbags as politicians nowadays. (In all parties). Labour seem to have problems picking decent black politicians as well.

Claudia Webbe: MP guilty of threatening and harassing woman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-58900981
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 13 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiver says she keeps her job.

Any takers?

She has no morals, neither do the Hard Labour backing her today like Corbyn. Colour and sex out Trumps any wrong doing.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 14 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cable Tie wrote:
Fiver says she keeps her job.

Any takers?

She has no morals, neither do the Hard Labour backing her today like Corbyn. Colour and sex out Trumps any wrong doing.


being black and female makes her just about immune from responsibility for her actions.
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