Will a FZ6 reg/rec work on a Street Triple?

[Mr Hammers]

So, the bike wouldn't start tonight but after a good charge it did. Checked the volts and it's not charging, just steadily dropping. Have ordered a new reg/rec but won't arrive till Friday. Borrowing a bike for tomorrow's commute, but can only use it tomorrow.

So, i was wondering....could i nick the reg/rec off the dormant FZ6, just to get me to work for a couple of days? Or would the electric fairies have an issue with that?

Cheers
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[jaffa90]

Is it a straight swop?

Would you risk it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363352280534?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Check the feed back on REGULATORS RECTIFIERS.

Could take 3 weeks ??????????

[Mr Hammers]

[Nobby the Bastard]

If there's no volts to charge it its more likely the stator has packed up than the reg/rec.
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[Mr Hammers]

No, it can't be that.

As in, yes, it might be that, but they're over £300 new...so it can't be that.

Oh, FFS. Really? I know there were problems with Triumph's reg/rec's, so i just assumed it was that. I'll have to pull the r/r out and test it and see, i guess.
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[WD Forte]

Test dont guess
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[doggone]

The inner workings are probably much the same but with different connectors because they can - get that wrong and it could cause further damage. It would make more sense to trickle charge it overnight and take the fuse out of headlight if you can't turn it off until your part arrives.
Then hope it is that.
They are a bit vulnerable as they need good air flow to cool so are out in the crap. 90% chance you're right that's what it is.

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Time to get the multimeter out.

I had a mate change his striple regrec, battery. Didn't fix it, had to take it to Triumph and they changed the stator and burnt out wiring. It's quite a common failure point, so much so that non standard rewinds are done to prevent it going again.

E.g. https://www.westcountrywindings.co.uk/ have knowledge about this issue, and would be cheaper to repair than oem replacement.

On his bike it would run, then cut out, dash went mental then it would need recharging.
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[MarJay]

I think the regulator rectifier will essentially be the same, but the number of wires and the connector may be very different.
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[Mr Hammers]

The good news is, i now have a spare rectifier! Bad news is....it isn't the rectifier

So, looking somewhat disapprovingly at the stator now. I'll take it out tomorrow night and see if there's anything obviously wrong, and in the meantime find out how to test it, but at least i've got a spare reg/rec in case that was what caused it.

Oh well.
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[xX-Alex-Xx]

Pretty easy to test a stator …

With the multimeter set to lowest resistance value, test between each output wire, should see very low values. If it’s open, your stator is shot.

Test each wire to ground, if it doesn’t show open circuit, your stator is shot.

With the bike running, test between each of the output wires on AC to the other output wires, you should see 20-50 volts and they should all read about the same value. IE: terminal 1->terminal 2, terminal 2->terminal 3, and terminal 3->terminal 1.


Edits in italic for clarity
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[Mr Hammers]

Ok, i've tested the stator...open circuits between terminals and battery negative...so all good. Tested between the stator terminals...all low values...so all good too.

Tested the output while running...and nothing. Maybe 0.01v but that's it.

Pulled the stator cover off, and the stator looks fine. Looks like it's got a bit warm at some point, but otherwise looks ok.

https://www.planetash.net/bcf/stator/stator.jpg

Also, managed to connect TuneECU and checked two error codes;

P1968 Sensor 5v supply error
P0705 Transmission range error

Not sure if there are just a result of whatever the problem is, or if they're related somehow.

The important thing is though is that there's no AC voltage coming out of the stator, but i'm buggered if i can figure out why

EDIT: Just realised i'd checked the output with the multimeter on the DC setting. Once i put it on AC (as per pic) the terminals register 0.3 - 0.7 and 1.4

Is that good? Is that what it's supposed to be?

https://www.planetash.net/bcf/stator/meter.jpg
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[Hong Kong Phooey]

^ reset codes in tuneecu, if codes come back after your charging issue is fixed then check them out.

Presume you are testing ac volts, not dc by mistake, did the headlights get brighter when the rpms increased? No, then its possible the reading is correct and there is no output at all.
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[Hong Kong Phooey]

AC volts is normally 20-50, so no f. good. Get it rewound, or chance a second hand unit.
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[xX-Alex-Xx]

Were you testing between the terminals and ground, or the terminals to different terminals?

Test:
terminal 1 - terminal 2
Terminal 2 - terminal 3
Terminal 3 - terminal 1

Should see 20-50 volts across all of them with only minor variations between the three.
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DILLIGAF

[Mr Hammers]

[Nobby the Bastard]

You get AC through each of the pairs of the terminals. There is no connection to ground.
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[Mr Hammers]

[Nobby the Bastard]

It's because to the rectifier they are 3 seperate circuits and so it can accept AC on all the pairs which it then converts to DC.3 set seperate inputs smooths the resulting voltage to an extent.
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[Mr Hammers]

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Try https://www.westcountrywindings.co.uk/applications.php if you need it in future, hopefully not!

(http, not https - seems http links posted here are converted to https)
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'81 CG125, '97 FZS600 : '99 CBR600F4, '09 KTM RC8

[Mr Hammers]

All working again!

New stator eventually arrived. I'll keep the old one and maybe send it off to get rewound (cheers, Hong Kong, site works without the 's') or, if it's not too difficult, maybe have a go at doing it myself.

Anyway, it arrived yesterday and so i fitted it today. Bought a new battery too, as the old one might be knackered after being run all the way down.

https://www.planetash.net/bcf/stator/stator-bat.jpg
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/stator/housing.jpg
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/stator/newstator.jpg

Put it all back together and i'm getting a good 14+ volts at the battery again. So, no more 2's up on a little 125 with a very tall mad frenchman for my commute!

Cheers for all the help, guys, much appreciated
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