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Posted: 20:29 - 17 Oct 2021 Post subject: HONDA CG125: What have I bought? |
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I recently passed my CBT (UK) and bought my first bike, which is a HONDA CG125 2001...apparently.
Pics - https://imgur.com/a/Lvae8uU
On the bikes DVLA papers from the former owner and on the bike frame itself, the VIN is only 11 digits long and starts with CE125. I know this is too short, and I wondered what the reason might be? Also, on the frame, the VIN is marked as CG125, not CE125, although the following numbers are the same.
The DVLA papers also say the 'bike model' is a CT125!!? The bike doesn't look like a CT model, and I can't figure out why it's registered as one?
The DVLA papers register the 'body type' as a 'Scooter Combination'. Is this normal?
After riding the bike, I found that the gear system worked differently, as it only has four gears, and the top option on the gear lever is neutral, and you press down for gears 1-4. You also have a back lever to come down in gear (see in pictures). I know this isn't standard on most CGs, but I'm aware there are specific older models and models manufactured in other countries that have this (i.e., Brazil, Japan, Pakistan).
The bike passed its last MOT.
Any help would be great. I've searched the VIN number in online databases and have had no look as it's not 17 digits. I've also looked at the Honda bike registry and can't seem to match any information to a specific model or year. ____________________ <table width="351" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; text-align:left;color:#000000;font-size:12px;font-family:helvetica, arial;; text-align:left"> <span><span style="margin-right:5px;color:#000000;font-size:15px;font-family:helvetica, arial">Joe Honda</span> </span> <br><br> <table cellpadding="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr></tr></table> </td> </tr> </table> |
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Posted: 03:00 - 18 Oct 2021 Post subject: |
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DVLA have listed it as a 'scooter combination' because they think that it's a CT125, probably the politest way to describe a CT.
That doesn't help you at all but might clear up that bit.
They might be thinking it's a CT because the VIN number they have matches a CT not a CG, could be a DVLA glitch, could be that someone has messed with the VIN. Presumably the number on the V5 matches exactly the number on the steering head?
I'd hazard a guess that it is a grey import, possibly a little older than 2001 (which might be solved by checking for differences in parts plans for different years but you'd have to be fairly keen to go down that road!!) and I'd be taking a very close look at the VIN for signs of tampering. ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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According to wikipedia the CG125 has been in Japanese production, largely unchanged, from 1976 to 2008 Every day a learning day
So maybe it's not an import? Anyhoo, with regards to the frame/engine numbers the reason they're too short for a VIN is 'cos they're not VINs and just factory serial numbers given the design is decades old. (The more recent fuel injected CBF125 would have a VIN.)
In which case I wouldn't panic on the CB125/CE125 differences between the frame an the engine. However as this is definitely not a CT125 I'd focus on getting that corrected at the DVLA. If they have the correct frame number listed on the V5 it's just an error. I suspect they'll ask you to produce a letter from Honda or another authoritative source to update the records.
In the event of an insurance claim it might complicate things* but I'd imagine there's very little difference in cost between a CG125 an a CT125.
*For comprehensive, third-party insurance would have to work regardless ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I'm not so sure, we had Brazilian made CG125s in stock at the Honda dealer I had a saturday job in when I was 17,
so 1990 or thereabouts... I had an older Japanese one for a while until I T-boned a couple of underage TWOCers in a
nicked fiesta which failed to yield on give way lines where I had priority, aka pulled out on me. Shame, that fucking ruined
that little bike, front wheel hit the driver door dead centre and trashed my forks and yoke. I went over bars and broke driver
window with my lid, also totalled a brand new pair of reebok pump basketball boots which I had just bought on me mums
catalogue, they were about £120. Silly money back in those days. The two teenage scummers in the car just ran off and left me
in the road. Aaah Dagenham..... ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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mentalboy wrote: | DVLA have listed it as a 'scooter combination' because they think that it's a CT125, probably the politest way to describe a CT.
That doesn't help you at all but might clear up that bit.
They might be thinking it's a CT because the VIN number they have matches a CT not a CG, could be a DVLA glitch, could be that someone has messed with the VIN. Presumably the number on the V5 matches exactly the number on the steering head?
I'd hazard a guess that it is a grey import, possibly a little older than 2001 (which might be solved by checking for differences in parts plans for different years but you'd have to be fairly keen to go down that road!!) and I'd be taking a very close look at the VIN for signs of tampering. |
I think you're right about the import, and the V5 matches the VIP on the bike. I think the current VIP might be something do with it being an old model, but not certain. Hard to tell if it's been tampered with tbh ____________________ <table width="351" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: middle; text-align:left;color:#000000;font-size:12px;font-family:helvetica, arial;; text-align:left"> <span><span style="margin-right:5px;color:#000000;font-size:15px;font-family:helvetica, arial">Joe Honda</span> </span> <br><br> <table cellpadding="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr></tr></table> </td> </tr> </table> |
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RedHondaCG wrote: | I've read about a 'Japenese nostalgia model' produced in the 90s that used the 4-speed gearbox, and they never took off in Asia so they were exported abroad. I'm sure my CG is one of these. I'll give David Silvers a ring and see if they can shed any more light, thanks. |
If it's really a 2001 CG, then it's either the Japanese nostalgia model, the Turkish-made M-model, or a Brazilian model. I can tell from looking at it that isn't the Turkish M-model, or the Brazilian model. The Japanese nostalgia model didn't have any black painted or lacquered engine covers, and the handlebars were typical and not like the bike pictured, I believe. However, it did have a tank like that one.
Honda will definitely be able to tell you if that's one of their bikes.
The V5C should read "BICYCLE" as the vehicle type/class, and say nothing about scooters. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 185 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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