#ntdwi

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Easy-X]

"Yes Minister" is the historical document of note in this area

Do ministers think the civil service is the Genie of the Lamp, their to grant their wishes or do they realise that they actually dealing with the Djinn, malevolent creatures who subvert desire for their own ends
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[Hong Kong Phooey]

As an insult to death and injury:
UK gov funding terrorism, giving out over £200K to one single terrorist family since 1993.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/revealed-shameless-family-arena-bomber-21933476

How can people who've never paid a penny bleed the system dry so easily, yet if you're legitimately disabled over here you're asked how many steps you can walk unaided, and if it's one step too far you get nothing?

Yet these system pro gamers can fly in and out even when suspected by MI5, when challenged just disappear back to the places they claim were so unbearable.
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[Easy-X]

It's what ppl keep voting for. Don't like it? Vote for someone else.

Bring back the Whigs
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Easy-X]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Easy-X]

Unifying all the fringe parties Right of the Tories might offer some alternative but you'd need Elon Musk money to buy off MSM at the moment to stand any chance of success.

Give it another generation till legacy media is dead and then you just have to buy the Internet which is much easier.
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[Hong Kong Phooey]

I don't think party politics alone is the answer. It relies on communities to report or intervene. Not just in mosques, but anywhere where people are aware of extremism. Anywhere there are people bleeding the system dry and burdening the honest tax payer.

I think we need some kind of informant bureau, like the Stasi or KGB, but more hardline.
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[Easy-X]

A classic example of the thread's genre:

Texas synagogue hostage-taker was British

Mmmm, 'Malik Faisal Akram' a typical British name if I ever heard one
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[Bhud]

He's confirmed as, definitely, British.

He has a Muslim name. There are Muslim Britons, i.e. British citizens who follow Islam. I don't see why that should surprise you.

[arry]

[Bhud]

Imaginary stuff, though.

I mean, the passport says he's British. That was the passport that allowed him to fly out.

He's committed a terrorist act.

Many other British Muslims work as doctors, scientists, researchers, etc. They do a lot of good for British society, and they share the same values as others who don't have Arabised names. I mean, OK, maybe Sajid Javid hasn't done all that much good, but whatever. He's still British.

Thing is, Muslim values (mainstream ones not the nutter ones) to my eyes more closely resemble what I would assume are most of your values, i.e. traditional family-oriented life, nuclear family, man works woman nurtures, etc. Personally, I'd like to rewire human society using the advantages of AI. Screw nationalism, communism and everything in between. I get the impression not many agree with me on here. But the Muslims would be on your side and not mine, on that matter. So it's a really subtle thing I'm failing to see, with regard to the guy's name.

[Bhud]

What really interested me the most, during the height of the terrorist madness, was the Charlie Hebdo affair. The Republic, and the values of the Republic, is a very serious thing, in France. It's rooted in a long tradition of philosophy, a bloody history, and in the Napoleonic codes. Therefore, who was going to win, in that battle of the cartoonist representing the principles of the state of France, vs terrorist guys obviously funded, channeled and supported by an Islamic foreign power? I didn't know what would happen. But France caved, Europe caved, everything caved. That's what I saw happen. Capitulation. In retrospect, this was clearly a pattern. Democracy cannot hold abstract principles and make them stand in the face of that thing. Ataturkism failed. pancasila failed, constitutionalism failed (e.g. Iran), etc.

So all that's left is an English-sounding name?

I can't find it now, but there was a video uploaded to Youtube recorded by some guys who went to Thorpe Park in 1988. They were being boisterous, and there was a sudden change of mood when they encountered a black dude with a white girl, having a bit more fun than them. "Oi oi, what's this, making a porno, are we?" They got angry. The black guy and his girl started smoking cigarettes, nervously, and waited for them to piss off.

I mean, that battle is lost. Those were just black guys, and there are lots of mixed race people around now. Muslims are just a form of ultra-traditionalist - much more organised, access to international networks, etc. It's better if they're regarded as friends. Just my opinion.

[arry]

[Easy-X]

Do you have any values at all, Bhud, or is that all subjective nonsense?
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[Easy-X]

Texas synagogue siege: Teens held in UK as Briton named as hostage-taker

[Diggs]

[Easy-X]

Some people (not me obviously) might suggest a certain religion attracts and exploits nutters, winds them up and sets them off against certain targets...
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[arry]

[Polarbear]

[Easy-X]

Notice it's "British, British, British..." not English, not British Pakistani, not Muslim. It's the same framing that labels a rapist "hotel resident" rather than "asylum seeker"
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[Bhud]

Well, obviously nobody wants to claim Malik Faisal Akram as their own, because he's a piece of filth.

However, do you regard Samantha Lewthwaite as British?

As far as I'm concerned, it would be nice if problems like these 2 individuals could be taken care of, by someone responsible.

However, your place in the scheme of things (i.e. in the eyes of the Foreign Office) is much lower down the pecking order than the interests of this country. This means they'll run the risk of letting these people harm people like yourself, in order to gain information. So nobody will "take care of" Samantha Lewthwaite. Coincidentally, the persistence of the problem these people pose is used to justify the huge budget secured by the Joint Intelligence Committee.

The woman who crossed the Atlantic on foot: I agree she was only in the news because it was the first for a "British Asian woman". However, that was the whole point, i.e. to tell people like yourself that she was as British as anyone. I think she's a Sikh, and Sikhs do have a long history with the UK. Serving in the armed forces, siding with the East Indian Company at the time of the mutiny, etc. Plus she's got a commission from the Queen. She is an officer of the British Army. So, in my opinion, you're doing her a huge disservice by not giving her what she wants, i.e. to be regarded as British. Personally, I wouldn't even give a 10th of what she's given or has sworn to give, to this country, because I don't chuck energy into failing systems. However, I think you should check your own opinion versus the opinion of serving members of the armed forces. They would disagree with you that she isn't British. The army, particularly, uses Commonwealth personnel who aren't even British nationals at all. They're all worthy of respect for their commitment. The influence of EDL and such on the army is a threat to national security just as much as losers like Malik Faisal Akram.

And I'm not going to even ask if you consider the descendants of Huguenot refugees to be British..

[YPVS]