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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 24 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
The ministers make policy, civil servants apply it.

Thats why a suddren change of minister doesn't affect day to day running, it'd done by the civil servants.

When a minister changes the policy however, that policy is applied.


It's supposed to be applied. When the civil servant's don't like the policy, they drag their feet. Ministers can only act if they know what is going on, and even if they were fully informed, they certainly don't have the brainpower to know everything. Actually many ministers are pretty dim, from both sides. Politician is a job that rarely attracts the best and the brightest.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 24 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Yes Minister" is the historical document of note in this area Smile

Do ministers think the civil service is the Genie of the Lamp, their to grant their wishes or do they realise that they actually dealing with the Djinn, malevolent creatures who subvert desire for their own ends Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 25 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an insult to death and injury:
UK gov funding terrorism, giving out over £200K to one single terrorist family since 1993.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/revealed-shameless-family-arena-bomber-21933476

How can people who've never paid a penny bleed the system dry so easily, yet if you're legitimately disabled over here you're asked how many steps you can walk unaided, and if it's one step too far you get nothing?

Yet these system pro gamers can fly in and out even when suspected by MI5, when challenged just disappear back to the places they claim were so unbearable.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 25 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's what ppl keep voting for. Don't like it? Vote for someone else.

Bring back the Whigs Wink
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 25 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
It's what ppl keep voting for. Don't like it? Vote for someone else.

You’re not seriously saying vote Labour, Lib Dems, SNP to change this?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 25 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
It's what ppl keep voting for. Don't like it? Vote for someone else.

You’re not seriously saying vote Labour, Lib Dems, SNP to change this?


I thought I made it perfectly clear:

Easy-X wrote:
Bring back the Whigs


Or you could just pick the most bat-shit crazy party just to accelerate the plunge into the abyss. The Communists don't have a monopoly on revolutions.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 25 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I thought I made it perfectly clear:

So which contemporary party has the answer?
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 26 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
I thought I made it perfectly clear:

So which contemporary party has the answer?


Oh you want an alternative party that will crack down on immigration? How about Reform UK? Smile


A responsible Government has a duty to protect our borders. We must know who is coming in and who is going out of the country, at our airports and ports.

Let’s welcome those who have high level skills and talents that we need, such as doctors, engineers, software designers, scientists, surgeons, in tightly controlled numbers that meet our requirements. We want these valuable people to come and work in the UK legally, and play by the rules, respecting our values.

This must not be an excuse however for cheaper labour that reduces wages in the UK. Nor must it be an excuse for not training our wonderful young people.

Illegal immigration is unacceptable and must not be granted asylum in the UK. The vile people smugglers running the dangerous, illegal routes, such as across the English Channel, must be stopped. People smugglers should be given very long prison sentences.

Everyone must know that no one coming via these illegal routes will be allowed to stay in the UK. Cases must be determined in just a few weeks and people returned to where they came from. The cost to the taxpayer is already billions every year and the impact on local communities around the country is very significant. However most people who are concerned are afraid to speak out on this issue in what is effectively a restraint on free speech.


https://reformparty.uk/reformisessential/
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 26 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unifying all the fringe parties Right of the Tories might offer some alternative but you'd need Elon Musk money to buy off MSM at the moment to stand any chance of success.

Give it another generation till legacy media is dead and then you just have to buy the Internet which is much easier.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 26 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think party politics alone is the answer. It relies on communities to report or intervene. Not just in mosques, but anywhere where people are aware of extremism. Anywhere there are people bleeding the system dry and burdening the honest tax payer.

I think we need some kind of informant bureau, like the Stasi or KGB, but more hardline.
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