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t121anf
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 15 Jan 2022    Post subject: Bearing shelf life Reply with quote

I need to replace the bearing in my steering damper, it’s available to order in Fowlers but not stocked.

eBay has a couple of listings but they are “new old stock” mainly looks like tatty packaging.

Would it be worth paying the extra for one from Fowlers over buying a new old stock one?

I’d still need to get the dust seals from Fowlers as mine have disappearing, and they aren’t listed by the bearing sellers on eBay.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 15 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as correctly stored a bearing in packet would last pretty much forever.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 15 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suppose that’s the risk with eBay, one bag is open, the other is still stapled shut but doesn’t look like it was ever sealed.
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
Suppose that’s the risk with eBay, one bag is open, the other is still stapled shut but doesn’t look like it was ever sealed.

Contact the seller. Ask about their return policy. If you don't like the bearing, send it back. You only risk the cost of postage.
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way. If the steering damper has worked the old bearing past its service life, I'd think that the damper itself must be shot by now as well. You might consider replacing the whole assembly. just a thought.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
t121anf wrote:
Suppose that’s the risk with eBay, one bag is open, the other is still stapled shut but doesn’t look like it was ever sealed.

Contact the seller. Ask about their return policy. If you don't like the bearing, send it back. You only risk the cost of postage.


It doesn't matter what their own policy is, if they're operating as a business on eBay you have a right to return it regardless.

https://pages.ebay.co.uk/safetycentre/rights.html
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had bearings on the spare gear shelves on ships that had been there since the ship was built, in some cases up to 40 years old. I can't remember ever finding one that was unusable.

I might have qualms about using a sealed bearing (ZZ or 2RS) as you can't be sure of the grease condition if it's not from a sealed package and old but an open face one, no problem.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
By the way. If the steering damper has worked the old bearing past its service life, I'd think that the damper itself must be shot by now as well. You might consider replacing the whole assembly. just a thought.


Any decent steering damper is designed to be rebuilt.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damper seems fine, probably could do with an oil change but as I’m hardly Rossi I’m not that concerned.

The reason I want the bearing doing is when you go over a bump the vertical movement had increased and it comes down with a bang, it never used to do this.

Got the damper off the bike and the bearing is defo shot, it’s rough and you tell it has too much vertical play, not to mention the missing seals.

Going to order the one from eBay, the saving will pay for the stupidly over priced seals (approx. £12 each)
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's just a regular bearing with seals , can't you get one from somewhere like ' simplybearings' ? Does the bearing have any numbers on it, or are the sizes easily measurable? Dealers often charge silly prices. Starter drop gear cover o ring - dealer 6 or 7 quid. Simply bearings 2 for £1.50
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would it be worth paying the extra for one from Fowlers over buying a new old stock one?

How much are they?
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steering dampers usually use rod end or Heim joint bearings
cant recall ever seeing one with seals on tho'
but that isnt to say they don't exist and some may have a boot on them.
Simply bearings is often my first point of call when looking for bearings
as bikes are made to fit bearings not the other way round.

A clunk when going over bumps makes me suspect other stuff
as a damper is to stop/dampen rapid oscillations not clunks

but as usual, we have no pics, no mention of make model etc................
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
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Would it be worth paying the extra for one from Fowlers over buying a new old stock one?

How much are they?


£60, eBay one is £38 iirc.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve the grease wrote:
If it's just a regular bearing with seals , can't you get one from somewhere like ' simplybearings' ? Does the bearing have any numbers on it, or are the sizes easily measurable? Dealers often charge silly prices. Starter drop gear cover o ring - dealer 6 or 7 quid. Simply bearings 2 for £1.50


Bearing size is
18X17.5X11
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Steering dampers usually use rod end or Heim joint bearings
cant recall ever seeing one with seals on tho'
but that isnt to say they don't exist and some may have a boot on them.
Simply bearings is often my first point of call when looking for bearings
as bikes are made to fit bearings not the other way round.

A clunk when going over bumps makes me suspect other stuff
as a damper is to stop/dampen rapid oscillations not clunks

but as usual, we have no pics, no mention of make model etc................


Seal

Seal
https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/view/64339-14101
One above and below.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 16 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this it on eBay? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154101439707?
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t121anf
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


that's the same bearing, but it was this one I was thinking of ordering
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133446535506
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you considered e-bay no`s.

384607722458

353762134901
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t121anf
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
Have you considered e-bay no`s.

384607722458

353762134901


Don't want a top mount damper.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just buy the fecker, stick it on and use the old dust seals if they're largely intact

then you get on and sort the clunk out
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
that's the same bearing, but it was this one I was thinking of ordering
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133446535506

That will be fine. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Just buy the fecker, stick it on and use the old dust seals if they're largely intact
then you get on and sort the clunk out

What could be clunking in the front end? Loose caliper? Steering head bearings? I would check the steering head bearing preload. If the bearings need to be replaced, taper roller bearing replacements might be available. A definite upgrade, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
I would check the steering head bearing preload. If the bearings need to be replaced, taper roller bearing replacements might be available. A definite upgrade, in my opinion.


Can confirm Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 17 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
Just buy the fecker, stick it on and use the old dust seals if they're largely intact
then you get on and sort the clunk out

What could be clunking in the front end? Loose caliper? Steering head bearings? I would check the steering head bearing preload. If the bearings need to be replaced, taper roller bearing replacements might be available. A definite upgrade, in my opinion.


It’s the damper, there was enough play you could lift it and let go , and hear the same noise.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 28 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone interested I didn’t change the bearing in the end, cleaned it up gave it a load of grease and replaced the missing “pillow” seals.

Very little vertical play now, still some as there should be, but I can no longer lift the damper and drop it to hear the clunk I could before.
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