The end of Johnson's lies and the sleaze?

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I thought this was quite funny. If you were in the cells and they told you the duty solicitor was Keir Starmer you’d go, “Oh, feck!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7dWX25IGnA

[stinkwheel]

[Im-a-Ridah]

[Easy-X]

Education standards in general have fallen so low you'd either have to spend the first year of a uni course playing catch-up and make it a 4-year or let standards drop. Tricky choice.

Another one we can blame on Blair
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[Nobby the Bastard]

How on earth can the current state of education be blamed on someone who was last in power 10 years ago?

It's not like the Tories haven't had 8 odd years to put things right is it?
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[Skudd]

[Val]

[Easy-X]

[stinkwheel]

[Easy-X]

On programming languages I concur. I learnt most of my trade at A-Level and we were (officially*) taught Pascal and I've never used that language since!

C, C/C++, Forth, Oberon, E, Prolog, occam, Rexx, Miranda, Haskell, Lua, Squirrel, SQL, Java, JavaScript, Dart, C#... a series of ever more shiny wrenches I have collected. To echo Mr. Stinkwheel: experience might tell you which wrench to use but learning should be about why we need a wrench.

Physics: again, do I use any of it now? Barely. I do however still remember to form a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, estimate error margins, consider ways of improving the test... etc. oh, and after all that one might be so bold as to offer a qualified conclusion

*I submitted all my source code in C as no one else on the course took the time to learn it and thus they couldn't steal it and pass it off as their own. Yes, folks, hacking predates the Internet!
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[Diggs]

[Val]

Back to Johnson antics. He and Patel are turning the UK into banana republic now using military for political scores as a distraction from partygate. Operation "Red Meat" to save the Big Dog. Looks like utter BS to me.

Sky:

[Val]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

It’s all about ‘safe routes’ now, and the Border Force boats are just too small. You ought to be pleased, Val.

[Bhud]

I don't know how long any of you lot could live in the jungles of Borneo or Papua. Would you know how to find food, and avoid dangerous insects, bugs, animals or plants? Would you know how to treat a cut? Would you know how to find clean water, free from dangerous bugs? I certainly couldn't live in that environment if I had to fend for myself. I'd probably last about a day.

This is because the environment itself is a filter. It draws organisms to it which are most easily able to adapt, survive and thrive.

Point being, if lots of people need work done on their house, and we're still in the EU, then we draw lots of Eastern European builders. Currently, the immigration system is selecting for certain types of highly skilled worker. This causes brain drain in their country of origin, impoverishing those countries. It's also a form of labour arbitrage. So you get a lot of Indian coders and whatnot in the areas around London. It's supporting these urban clusters which have been missold to them as classy, upscale, luxury developments, etc. They're happy with it. Essentially, these are technicians rather than technologists. You also get a lot of draw from the agricultural industry, which is pulling in lots of these very poor migrants who come over in dinghies.

No conclusions can be drawn from this. Some types of behaviour are incentivised and others are discouraged. You get people who are fit for particular types of environment who couldn't survive in others.

Say you've got a bricklayer who's handled every type of brick. He's laid bricks on office block facades, in residential housing developments, in public buildings, in prisons, etc. Do you trust this man to know everything about buildings, or an architect?

The samurai defended Japan successfully in the face of Mongol invasions. Then their profession was exalted, and all wealth and power accrued to them. Several centuries of infighting followed, as a result of this. This is just an example to demonstrate how specialisation can't be extrapolated broadly, with validity and utility, to unrelated matters in order to derive a general rule.

[stinkwheel]

My understanding is the Navy are being put in overall charge of co-ordinating the maritime aspect of into double figures of agencies who have an interest in immigration, rather than in physically going out and dealing with small boat migrants. Although that would also be within their remit.

I wanted to be angry about them having drinks at Downing street on the Friday before Phil the Greeks funeral, then I wondered what I was doing that weekend and realised I was in no position to be judgemental.
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[Easy-X]

[Bhud]

Interesting perspective. I'd trust the architect.

It's only human to seek mastery in specialism. However, it isn't necessarily optimal or efficient. If I wanted you to code an audio filter as a plug-in for a multimedia application, it's not in my interest to ask you to look through your books and re-learn DFT in signal processing. It's more helpful if you just know which library to include, and how to use it. This saves time and helps you to work as a part of a team, and helps in case of team members quitting or getting sick. However, it will at least be necessary for the project lead to have a rough idea of how all this works, so he can distribute a flow chart to all the team members and to the project manager, and which he can present to the board. It keeps things fluid and cheaper this way. Of course, I wouldn't expect the lead to have a working fluency with syntax in a programming language. The actual library itself won't have been made by an "architect" but will have just spontaneously appeared from the work of a mathematician who had a key role in the invention of that language. That guy may or may not be a tenured professor but he's useless except for that specialised ine-off work. And nobody's quite sure how to replicate him.

That's why I prefer to trust the architect over the tradesman. It's like comparing Daley Thompson with Lance Armstrong. The generalist with the macro understanding is able to give us the bigger picture.

[stinkwheel]

The brickie will skive off, cut corners, substitute cheaper items, nick stuff for homers and in extreme cases build stuff in the wrong place and the wrong size. If he turns up at all.

The architect couldn't build a wall in a straight line but will know how to construct a building that wont fall down.

They had terrible difficulties when building the Khalifa tower because builders thought they knew best and kept deviating from the specified concrete mix which had been very carefully calculated to withstand the enormous compressive forces of 163 floors on top of it.

My Dad once employed a welder. He was absolutely shit hot at it, he could weld anything. It turns out he was also partiucularly adept at welding in holes and taking welded stuff apart again and welding it back together when he'd done it wrong. Or simply throwing his fuck-ups in a storage container at the end of the site where they weren't found until he'd been working there 18 months. He was such a good welder that they eventually gave him a shop fabricator to work directly alongside to hand him the parts pre-cut, drilled and numbered with a sharpie where he wanted the welds, or in extreme cases, already clamped together.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[UncleFester]

It's a little like what you get in IT when you get a specialist. Give them a completely clean sheet and they can design and build you the best thing ever.

Give them what is more common - a used, modified setup that has been added to and removed from by all manner of folk over a 5 year period and they've not got the first clue what to do with it other than replace it all.

They know everything about one thing but very little about everything else.

WRT to boat migrants. To get in that boat you need $$$$$ and desperation so you're either getting mobsters or lawyers and doctors. I don't think anyone here ( myself included) can understand what drives a person to cross half the world to live in a tent for 2 years whilst plotting to cross the North Sea in winter in an inflatable dinghy.
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[Diggs]

[Pete.]

[YPVS]

[Easy-X]

[UncleFester]

Yeah one of our clients at my previous place was running stuff in Java 1.4 and another had written something in Delphi! To be fair as long as you understand the PATH command and system variables, there's not much you can't get working nicely in Windows 10.

I'm far from an expert - i just know where to look and how to search and then work out what needs doing to fake it into working.

The first answer is never a flat NO.
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