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PostPosted: 10:22 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: MP Christian Wakeford changing parties…. Reply with quote

Should a MP be allowed to simply change parties of his own accord?
Isn’t it the will of the population - his constituency - which party they elect to represent them?
In my mind he should have stood down and immediately stood for re-election as Labour rather than making the assumption he knows best and dictates the party that he thinks his constituents want / he wants. In my opinion it’s not him as a man that the people voted in but the party and policies he represents.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to vote for party rather than the person, what you want is proportional representation.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If you want to vote for party rather than the person, what you want is proportional representation.
li disagree - to my mind that’s what you are voting for, not the person. They are the person put forward by the party as their representative in my mind…
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If you want to vote for party rather than the person, what you want is proportional representation.
li disagree - to my mind that’s what you are voting for, not the person. They are the person put forward by the party as their representative in my mind…
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, but it's the persons name on the ballot. You vote for the person. He represents your interests in parliament. He's the one who sits in his surgery dealing with his constiunents issues.

Thats our electiion process.

It's like the assumption of people who say that Boris was elected PM. Not by the populous, he wasn't.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If you want to vote for party rather than the person, what you want is proportional representation.


PR, at least the properly proportional variety (STV) tends to work the opposite way with the person being voted for rather than the party - which is why political parties dread it. The AMS version is more party biased. We have both in Scotland with AMS for the Scottish Parliament (STV was mooted but knocked down because they didn't want the SNP to gain power... Laughing ) and STV for local elections. I'd like to see STV in place for all elections.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
[ We have both in Scotland with AMS for the Scottish Parliament (STV was mooted but knocked down because they didn't want the SNP to gain power... Laughing )


That worked well then.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SNP will probably do away with elections altogether before long anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
The SNP will probably do away with elections altogether before long anyway Laughing


Have you been at the wacky baccy again? Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chickenstrip wrote:
The SNP will probably do away with elections altogether before long anyway Laughing


Have you been at the wacky baccy again? Laughing


Me?! You're the one that votes for them Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Islander wrote:


Have you been at the wacky baccy again? Laughing


Me?! You're the one that votes for them Laughing


Do I? Razz
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, back to the OP's question. It's an old tradition in the UK Parliament for disgruntled MPs (Winston Churchill did it twice in his political career) to cross the floor and a useful reminder to the party leadership that they need to put their house in order.

As Nobby says, it's the MP that does the work for the constituency.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oswald Moseley did it twice and then set up the British Facist party.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Oswald Moseley did it twice and then set up the British Facist party.


Somehow the response 'nobody's perfect' doesn't quite cover that one...
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what people might have issue with on switching parties - in the short term - is it's a risk free protest. You give your old party a slap and carry on. It'll catch up with you at the next election of course.

"I'm resigning my seat and standing as an independent at the byelection!" That would show you have supreme confidence in yourself and your relationship with the electorate and also in whatever message you're promoting. However "principles" and "courage" are not words oft associated with politicians Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should call a by-election because he no longer has the support of the Conservative membership, and he certainly doesn't have the support of the Labour membership. Both sides say there should be a by-election, and he knows as soon as there is one he is finished.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I think what people might have issue with on switching parties - in the short term - is it's a risk free protest. You give your old party a slap and carry on. It'll catch up with you at the next election of course.


That depends on how disgruntled voters are really.

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"I'm resigning my seat and standing as an independent at the byelection!" That would show you have supreme confidence in yourself and your relationship with the electorate and also in whatever message you're promoting. However "principles" and "courage" are not words oft associated with politicians Laughing


Hmmm. That also depends on the point of principle. Why take yourself away from a potential place of influence? You might be able to do some good on the way after all plus it gives you a chance to carry your constituents with you.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
He should call a by-election because he no longer has the support of the Conservative membership, and he certainly doesn't have the support of the Labour membership. Both sides say there should be a by-election, and he knows as soon as there is one he is finished.


And you know this how?
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
He should call a by-election


He can't call a by-election.

He can take the chiltern hundreds (resign) or die. Then there would be a by-election by default.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should reform the party system to remove the "generic" fence sitters who just want to get elected. Potential party options could include

1. Strong borders and common sense (~ Daily Mail, Express)
2. The educated elites (~Guardian)
3. Social justice warrior (~Momentum)
4. I will say anything to get elected (Keir, Blair, Cameron, Sunak etc)

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Im-a-Ridah wrote:
He should call a by-election because he no longer has the support of the Conservative membership, and he certainly doesn't have the support of the Labour membership. Both sides say there should be a by-election, and he knows as soon as there is one he is finished.


And you know this how?


Well he left the Tories, and mementum want him gone. Labour activists are pretty well known for hating Tories.

You missed this how?
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

And he joined Labour, which requires their.agreement, it's an ex red wall constituency, torys are doing badly in the poles and he's the sitting mp.
Tbh it's a case that Labour reduce the tories majority by one now that they would have reduced by one at the next election
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
And he joined Labour, which requires their.agreement, it's an ex red wall constituency, torys are doing badly in the poles and he's the sitting mp.
Tbh it's a case that Labour reduce the tories majority by one now that they would have reduced by one at the next election


Labour didn't agree, the Labour leadership did. The Labour leader is not exactly a popular guy with the membership either.

And we all know that when there is a general election this guy won't be the Labour candidate which will prove my point Laughing

He might want to fix his website too Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fucking hell you wouldn't trust that cunt around kids....
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
We should reform the party system to remove the "generic" fence sitters who just want to get elected. Potential party options could include


We should reform the party system by getting rid of it. Introduce single transferable vote as the electorial system instead.



Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Well he left the Tories, and mementum want him gone. Labour activists are pretty well known for hating Tories.

You missed this how?


He isn't a tory any more - he defected to Labour.

I'd imagine there are a few sympathetic members of the Conservatives at the moment too.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's just being sour because he didn't get invited to the Downing Street lockdown party. Laughing
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