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TheRealSmiler
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: After advice for new computer (Gaming) Reply with quote

I'm thinking of getting a computer in the next few months now this won't be for the best games out there. It will be mainly for RTS games and Fallout 3, New Vegas and Fallout 4. I've been a big fan of the fallout series for a long time but would love to try the different mods.

Would a standard off the shelf set up be worth it or would it be best going for something a bit more customized. Just trying to work out the standard budget.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd need something average at that point. Maybe a 1070/1080 card, nothing new, but its a pain to get them.

Depends on the budget... a newer system will last for some time and cost a bit, or you can bu older and have to put money in later.
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UncleFester
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the shelf will get you a choice of cards.

Buying the bits and building your own - less card choice as there's SFA in stock at any kind of sensible price.

Playing F04 on a AMD RX6800 and honestly i don't see much difference over and above the previous GTX1070. Don't think the game engine itself can do much more with better cards.

Forza Horizon however really is worth the better card but not at the retail prices they are currently at.
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Ayrton
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's usually worth putting together a custom build yourself, but as everyone has already said there's still naff all GPU's for sale right now and what there is are expensive.
I have heard lots of people are just getting a CPU with integrated graphics and using that while they wait for GPU's to come back into stock. It doesn't look totally bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CvdnvmzWBE
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PostPosted: 01:53 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend getting a powerful old office workstation, and fitting it with a new psu and graphics card.

I got a Dell Precision T1700 with i7-4770K with 16gb ram.

I think I paid £250, but you can get them for £200 now.

I've put a 750w psu in there, but people say a 450w is ok with an rtx 2060. Nvidia says 550w though.

Dell use their own connecters for the psu so you need to get converter cables to use a standard higher power PSU.

I paid £250 for my rtx 2060 but people now want £600 for them.

Oddly people also want £600 for an rtx 3060ti, so I'd go for that instead if I were buying now.

With this set up I can play most things in 1440p. If you want to play warzone, it might be better to get a pc with a faster cpu. I can get 60-75 fps, but with a faster cpu I may be able to get 120 or 140fps.

Someone is selling PC with an i7 9700 and no gpu for £500 which is tempting.

I messed up fitting the GPU and PSU, by not being careful that the leads from the psu were all where they should be, so I damaged something, and the bios battery is dead so I should replace that.

This cause problems but the local pc shop fixed it for me.

A novice can have a go if there is a local pc shop nearby to fix it if things go wrong.

In my old PC I have a gtx 560ti, which is fine for counterstrike but not much else.

I also recommend having windows on an ssd.

If you dont want to replace the psu to put in a power hungry GPU, you can get special low power GPUs that will work with the office PCs PSU.

I think the gtx 1650 may be one. (1080p gaming only)

These cards seem overpriced compared to a normal card, but not compared to a normal card and psu.

I recommend getting a card that can handle 1440p gaming. ray tracing is overrated but dlss is quite good.

Having said all that this article recommends just using integrated graphics that comes with a PC that has a new cpu.
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/god-of-war-integrated-graphics/
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPU - Intel 486DX2 @ 66Mhz, - go for the DX4 if money allows.

RAM - 16Mb EDO with close timing as BIOS can give. Option for 32mb if you want best performance in intensive multimedia based games such as Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars. Win95 takes up 4mb on it's own so you should factor what you want.

GFX - 2mb ATI Mach64VT is good - Gives resolutions up to 1024x786 w/ 64k colours. If you can afford it, 4mb Savage. I personally think PowerVR is the future though.

You might want a cpu fan.
And your typical 3.5, 5.25 floppy drives, and 1x or 2x (if you can afford it) CD drive.

HDD - Western Digital Caviar 2420 - 420mb, 3k-rpm


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TheRealSmiler
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all the suggestions I'll happily take them on board when deciding what to do next.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
CPU - Intel 486DX2 @ 66Mhz, - go for the DX4 if money allows.



P75 for the win. It blew my DX4-100 out of the water on games.

Graphics cards prices SUCK at the moment. Even a used 2060 goes for best part of a grand in places...

My GTX1060 6GB is fine for 1080p gaming and will run most things on Ultra at that resolution. Would be more than fine for Fallout etc.

Try to get 8th gen or higher for Intel as you'll be within realms of Windows 11 then (bear in mind support for 10 ends in 2025).

SSD for everything - no reason to use spinners these days other than "archive"/low use storage of data. I find 16GB RAM is ok for most things, but games like DCS pretty much require 32 for online play.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
blurredman wrote:
CPU - Intel 486DX2 @ 66Mhz, - go for the DX4 if money allows.



P75 for the win. It blew my DX4-100 out of the water on games.


Agreed. Will be much better for CD streaming and don't forget for MP3's too! But.. Pentiums man.. they cost a lot! Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
less power than my mouse coprocessor


Damn thats retro Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I'd recommend getting a powerful old office workstation, and fitting it with a new psu and graphics card.


For a reasonably priced PC that doesn't need to be able to play the latest games, the above is probably the best option if you know what you're looking at with office PCs.

When I got my last gaming PC I looked at building it myself (I've done it before) but it actually worked out cheaper to get it from a custom PC builder (I'm guessing they must be bulk buying parts). They were only operating out of a little unit but the service was spot on, fair play.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 26 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:


HDD - Western Digital Caviar 2420 - 420mb, 3k-rpm




Shocked

MB? I have 5.5TB of hard drives and 1 TB of SSD in mine....

Edit: Just got the joke...
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