Yet another teenage terror case

[Nobby the Bastard]

So, this teenager was groomed at 14 by an extremist from a religous fundamentalist country, was caught with bomb making instructions and was going to be prosecuted.

The prosecution was dropped and no doubt counselling is being arranged by prevent.

I wonder what makes her so different to Sheema Begum....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60132861
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[Ste]

It sounds like her crime was having a copy of the Anarchists Cookbook which is slightly different to what Shamima Begum did.

[The Artist]

[YPVS]

Let me explain it in terms even you can understand.

One is a terrorist who has lived and worked as an active terrorist with a known terrorist organisation.

The other had downloaded a video from the Internet, but somehow, we're pretending she's been trafficked without being moved and was one of these "far right" terrorists so active in the UK that only 2 people have died at the hands of them in decades, whilst hundreds, if not thousands are dead due to Muslims shouting at Allan's Snackbar.

Or to put it into your daft, lefty agenda, Begum is funny skin coloured and Al Beeb have done their best to dress up the other one as white, so it's clear racism that apparent whitey got let off for not actually doing anything harmful to anyone.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Both groomed at 14 by extremists, both broke the law as a result.

For one being groomed was considered a defence and the prosecution was dropped, for the other it wasn't considered a defence and despite never being prosecuted or even attempting to prosecute her, her citizenship was stripped.
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[YPVS]

Working with ISIS = downloading a video.

If this "Derby" girl turned out not to be white, you'd be all for her being incarcerated.

Funny bunch, you programmed lefties.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Think about it this way.

Someone has a psychotic break resulting in a mental instability and punched a few people, occasioning an assault.

Another person had an indentical psychotic break resulting in a mental instability and stabbed a few people to death.

Both can claim that they were incapable as a result of mental instability as a defence and, if this was accepted, they would be found not guilty.

In essence, the defence is either valid or invalid. The magnitude of the crime is irrelevant.
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[Ste]

[Nobby the Bastard]

I think that being groomed should be considered a defence for both.
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[Ste]

It hasn't been used as a defense by either.

[Nobby the Bastard]

[YPVS]

Smells of the usual establishment diversionary tactics, to stop people realising who the real threat is, a threat we import by the many tens of thousand a year.

A threat which has carried out countless attacks already, killing hundreds if not thousands in the UK, but is dismissed as less of a threat than 3 or 4, far right white kids fantasising and downloading videos, but hurting nobody.

[Ste]

It's not technically correct, it is correct. Neither has been prosecuted by a court.

The big difference I can see between the Derby girl and Shamima Begum is the referral to the "National Referral Mechanism" being made for one of them but not the other.

Someone can be stripped of their British citizenship for reasons of national security rather than because they've been convicted by a court.

Do you think that the Derby girl has been treated too leniently?

[Nobby the Bastard]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

[Easy-X]

I think it's a fair point, we should bring back "exile" as a sentence. Save a lot of money vs. keeping people in prison.
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[Bhud]

Both Begum and this idiot child might have been useful subjects in experimental procedures and trials, in reeducation and conditioning programmes through technology-led behavioural adjustment, rather than being put through an inept and dysfunctional criminal justice system. Frankly, it's amazing that Begum was allowed to travel given that the flagging system has been in place for decades. It's also shameful that charges were brought and then dropped against this far-right suspect, and she's now allowed to live her life freely without monitoring and intervention. China is way ahead of the curve, on this one. They can reeducate people and inculcate social norms and values in deviants.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Are you seriously suggesting we should have something like the uigher 're-education' camps?
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[Bhud]

No, not at all. What I'm suggesting is that there are unhelpful legal and moral barriers against certain types of research in this country. Scientific trials, medical procedures, etc. If someone is trying to access materials that could of use to a terrorist, then the State has every justification to intervene. I don't think anyone could argue with that, as that's more or less what we expect the State to do. However, the problem then arises of what to do with them. It's perfectly legitimate to seek further information by interrogating them and building relationship maps, etc. No problem. This is what I assume responsible parties would do. However, to then go on and charge them with a crime isn't useful. In Begum's case, it would have been much more useful to simply stop her travelling in the first place, and then taking her into a facility. In this kid's case, she has about 60 years to refine her techniques, tactics and ideology, and she's just been exposed to the worst the current system could do to her, i.e. charge her with something. It's detrimental as it teaches her subterfuge and dissimulation.

This was bad medicine and bad science:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15629160

Science and medicine have come a long way since then. We need to understand the brain much better, and having a less punitive approach might be useful. You could explain to the subject how they would be helping to make new discoveries in the field. Or simply subject them to anaesthesia. Whatever. The point being that the justification was there to intervene, and the concerns were legitimate enough to detain and interrogate a terror suspect. There's an opportunity to turn these cases into a "win".