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Posted: 17:55 - 22 Jan 2022 Post subject: |
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | I don't get why people have the thing about countersteering.
If you can cycle, you do it automatically. Thats how you go round corners.
You don't need to force it, the only people who consciously do it deliberately are racers to get into the corner faster.
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I disagree. Take a big bike, fully laden with camping gear and someone on the back around a few tight bends and countersteering is something that happens naturally because it is easier to ride that way. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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Posted: 14:32 - 23 Jan 2022 Post subject: |
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Never guaranteed to not drop a bike at any point in your riding 'career', whether it be overzealousness with the throttle, or not putting the stand down properly, or some other silly mistake. Granted you're less likely to make the silly mistakes when you're more experienced, but they can still happen.
Never dropped my first big bike, although came close a couple of times. Get what you want, but if it has a lot of power, be respectful of that.
chickenstrip: bucking the trend since 1985 ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 20:30 - 23 Jan 2022 Post subject: |
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He guys, OP - he gawn!
PS Counter steer blah blah.. shite. I never even heard the term until i stumbled across a post on here. FortNine = click bait bollocks. and yes i have been to the pub - so what? ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600
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ThunderGuts wrote: | As per all of the above really. Enjoy the learning process, but getting your licence is just opening the door to a whole load of other learning. As said, the requirements of the test are all about "by the book" riding and don't necessarily correlate to the "best" riding; just do exactly as your instructors say until you've got your licence, then think about other things. You won't necessarily drop your bike, but it's most probable early on, particularly if it's top-heavy. You think you know what you want, you'll buy it and you'll think you've got what you want, but sometime down the line (probably 6-12 months) you'll start to realise you want something else.
1) CBT then DAS so you can get yourself a bike capable of living in traffic and with enough go for you to learn on (as opposed to a 125 which you'll be wringing the neck off all the time and you can almost handle like a bicycle) - you will find two camps on this though, some will suggest riding around on a CBT for a while, others (me included) straight to DAS. You presumably drive and know how a road "functions", so I'd just go straight for it
2) Follow the instructions of the instructor to the letter until you've got the licence
3) Get yourself a middleweight naked bike, £2k-3k at most, less than 80bhp ideally and ABS is a bonus as with a new rider it's all too easy to grab a handful of brake
4) Ride it and learn it, then you can start thinking about further training and what bike you really want
My 2p worth, but it's pretty much what I did. |
You have described exactly the route I am on now after starting and passing not so long ago
As long as you remember you know nothing and passing is just the first step with so many training afterwards then you shall be alright |
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ThunderGuts wrote: | As per all of the above really. Enjoy the learning process, but getting your licence is just opening the door to a whole load of other learning. As said, the requirements of the test are all about "by the book" riding and don't necessarily correlate to the "best" riding; just do exactly as your instructors say until you've got your licence, then think about other things. You won't necessarily drop your bike, but it's most probable early on, particularly if it's top-heavy. You think you know what you want, you'll buy it and you'll think you've got what you want, but sometime down the line (probably 6-12 months) you'll start to realise you want something else.
1) CBT then DAS so you can get yourself a bike capable of living in traffic and with enough go for you to learn on (as opposed to a 125 which you'll be wringing the neck off all the time and you can almost handle like a bicycle) - you will find two camps on this though, some will suggest riding around on a CBT for a while, others (me included) straight to DAS. You presumably drive and know how a road "functions", so I'd just go straight for it
2) Follow the instructions of the instructor to the letter until you've got the licence
3) Get yourself a middleweight naked bike, £2k-3k at most, less than 80bhp ideally and ABS is a bonus as with a new rider it's all too easy to grab a handful of brake
4) Ride it and learn it, then you can start thinking about further training and what bike you really want
My 2p worth, but it's pretty much what I did. |
You have described exactly the route I am on now after starting and passing not so long ago
As long as you remember you know nothing and passing is just the first step with so many training afterwards then you shall be alright |
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | ThunderGuts wrote: |
3) Get yourself a middleweight naked bike, £2k-3k at most, less than 80bhp ideally and ABS is a bonus as with a new rider it's all too easy to grab a handful of brake
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I do take issue with this. Learn to use brakes properly or don't do it at all.
I absolutely hate the principle of linked brakes for the same reason. I want to chose how much front and back brake I use based on the surface I see in front of me.
When filtering, quite often you find yourself on grit and so I do not, under any circumstances, want my front brake to activate when I'm using the rear brake. |
That's absolute nonsense. You can learn to brake properly with an ABS system. If the ABS activates you can be pretty dam sure you would have locked the brakes otherwise. Practically all new bikes above 125cc have it now and there are loads of options on older, cheaper bikes with it. Like it or not it IS a life saving device - and quite frankly - especially as a new rider or a commuter - you'd be stupid to choose a bike without it. The odd professional, in perfect circumstances, can (very rarely) out-brake it but you sure as shit can't guarantee you can on a wet commute after a long, tiring day.
I partially dislike linked brakes due to the rear activating the front which can make feet up U Turns difficult. ____________________ Honda VFR1200F, Honda CBF500 ABS, CZ125 now CZ175 |
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote: | I've had to brake hard on both bikes in dry conditions and apart from the Kwak having much more powerful brakes I never saw the need for ABS. |
Man, I thought like you for years...decades. From 1976 to 1995 my main ride had drum brakes on both wheels. I thought, "shit, I'm an experienced rider. Who needs ABS? ABS is for pansies." I took advanced rider training with the local Motor Officers, I practiced emergency stops until I was confident in my skills.
One day out of the blue, the stars aligned for one brief millisecond. As I was merging my VFR onto an urban motorway, someone in an Accord suddenly realized she was about to pass her exit, and nose-dived her car across 3 lanes of traffic, straight across my path. I hammered both brakes. Too much front brake-too quickly. I remember thinking "Wow, the forks never compressed this much before!" as the front wheel washed out to the right and I went down hard on my left side at 65 mph.
Next thing I remember is an ant's view of the motorway and traffic backed up as far as I could see. A patrol officer knocking on my helmet, "Anybody home?" "Is there anybody in there?"
They towed my bike away and an ambulance carted me off. The attendant said, "You were born again today, man." At the hospital, the doctor ran me through concussion protocol and treated me for a fractured shoulder blade. As we parted, he said, "You were born again today."
Needless to say, I am now a believer in ABS. When that instant comes, reaction time and instinct kick knowledge and training to the curb. ABS is not a panacea, but I believe it is the next best thing.
06 March 2016; my second birthday. ____________________ History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men - BOC
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote: | Reading that was fucking harrowing mate. |
Sorry for that, man. The experience was harrowing for me, too. For me, the reward is worth the risk. Motorbikes are my fountain of youth. At 68, riding my bike makes me feel 18 again, and occasionally lets the hooligan in me loose Sadly, you can do everything right, by the book, and still get squashed like a bug. It's the risk we take every time we throw a leg over. Personally, more than worth it. Ride safe, bro. Rubber side down. ____________________ History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men - BOC |
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jeffyjeff wrote: | Man, I thought like you for years...decades. From 1976 to 1995 my main ride had drum brakes on both wheels. I thought, "shit, I'm an experienced rider. Who needs ABS? ABS is for pansies." I took advanced rider training with the local Motor Officers, I practiced emergency stops until I was confident in my skills.
One day out of the blue, the stars aligned for one brief millisecond. As I was merging my VFR onto an urban motorway, someone in an Accord suddenly realized she was about to pass her exit, and nose-dived her car across 3 lanes of traffic, straight across my path. I hammered both brakes. Too much front brake-too quickly. I remember thinking "Wow, the forks never compressed this much before!" as the front wheel washed out to the right and I went down hard on my left side at 65 mph.
Next thing I remember is an ant's view of the motorway and traffic backed up as far as I could see. A patrol officer knocking on my helmet, "Anybody home?" "Is there anybody in there?"
They towed my bike away and an ambulance carted me off. The attendant said, "You were born again today, man." At the hospital, the doctor ran me through concussion protocol and treated me for a fractured shoulder blade. As we parted, he said, "You were born again today."
Needless to say, I am now a believer in ABS. When that instant comes, reaction time and instinct kick knowledge and training to the curb. ABS is not a panacea, but I believe it is the next best thing.
06 March 2016; my second birthday. |
I don't understand why some see ABS as a bad thing. |
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Linked brakes, on other had, are the devils work and whomever thought them up should be given several stout kicks to the testes every day. |
Agreed. When I first bought the VFR800, the back brake was great, but the front was squidgy as hell. After much fettling and multiple rounds of bleeding, front brake is better, and the back is a bit squidgy and 60% of the force seems to go to the front. I'm just living with it, but what is the fucking point! I considered getting braided hoses at one point. For the linked brake system I think there are 17 separate hoses or something equally bloody stupid. ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 111 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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