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Bhud wrote: | They're emotionally immature and kind of stupid while they're still in school. They get stupid ideas. They are still kids, mentally. Legally, they aren't capable of consenting to sex with people who are in a position of care over them, even if they're over 16. That's why a 6th former can't consent to sex with their teacher. . |
So it's if they are in school and not just how old they are? A girl in sixth form can't decide on a 30 yo boyfriend but the girl who's left school can!!!???? Obviously I presume you don't mean that but that's what you said. The position of trust is not whats being argued about, that's irrespective of age, just like we expect a doctor not to shag his patients or Stinkers not to emulate the Taffs and have a relationship with one of his sheep.
Bhud wrote: | I could say it just doesn't seem right, but it's not a moral question as such. There is potential to cause harm to someone who's immature when the age gap is that wide. Andy didn't care about that - he saw her just like Savile might have seen a kid in Broadmoor. The human mind is a fickle thing. Sometimes, someone might consent to a powerful man one day, then awaken to the fact that they were abused, years later, when understanding and the cost of what happened to them finally dawns. There is an onus of responsibility to prevent future harm. |
Of course it's a moral question. The moral question being what age do we as a society say a person is legally able to indulge in sex for any reason, physical, mental or maturity. The only answer to the above statement if people are too immature at 16 is to raise the legal age of consent as it's impossible to have caveats that cover every level of adolescence. You could try and do what Angry Jock says and have maximum age differences between consenting couples but that would go down like a lead balloon with the public.
You say Andrew saw her like JS saw his victims. Maybe he did but also maybe he saw her as a willing partner at a party he was at and because she was legal age, did the deed.
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Polarbear wrote: | So it's if they are in school and not just how old they are? A girl in sixth form can't decide on a 30 yo boyfriend but the girl who's left school can!!!???? Obviously I presume you don't mean that |
Um, I kinda do...
I mean, there are grey areas and then there are rules. Rules are black and white, and set in stone. But the reality is, there's an underlying set of unspoken rules that carry a lot of weight.
Example: normal girl goes to school. Parents go to work and trust that the kid is having a normal experience of being a kid. Their frame of reference is what used to happen in the old days: the coolest kids will have a snog behind the bike shed. The reality of the kid's activities on TikTok nobody really wants to know about, because that's a can of worms. However, they sort of trust that it's all just chit-chat with people roughly the same age as her. Girl mentions a boy one day. Dad reacts and gives guidance. But he isn't really surprised - it was all sort of expected.
Unofficially, it's game on once they go to university. Let's not kid ourselves - university for many is just a rite of passage into adult life. The courses themselves are not often not useful at all. However, all is fair, when at university. The girl at 18 at school is not the same as the girl (still 18) who's just arrived at university. A tutor spots the "talent" early, let's say. Again, this is all based on the parents' understanding of how an ideal life is supposed to work. This is a watershed moment when they're finally willing to accept the adulthood of their daughter. They may even be happy with the situation, if their kid is getting on particularly well with a tenured prof. She's interested in architecture, for example. She's told she's special. She has the university experience and Dr So-and-so extends a long leash ("open relationship"). She plays with the boys, does her drunken party stuff, etc. At 21 she announces her intention to pursue a PhD, and everything is miraculously in place.
All of the above is just a hypothetical story situation but what I would regard as how the unspoken rules are expected to work. If it's a much older man, he has to be significantly higher status than her, and he has to bring a lot to the table. Just "some guy" won't cut it - there will be trouble. That's why I think the age boundaries aren't that useful. |
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Shamema begum: 15 years old. Innocent needing protection, or terrorist needing deportation? |
Both, there should have been better checks and measures in place to begin with to try and identify the problem or at least to react very quickly to it. In the beginning she was an innocent who needed protection.
However, that changed accordingly with the actions she took while over there. That made her a terrorist or at the very least a radical who should have no place back in the civilised world.
As I keep noting, I am a libertarian and what I said in the second paragraph would be at odds with that. I am a great believer in Restorative Justice (it's why I despise cancel-culture) but in certain cases I just can't see a Restorative path back (terrorists, rapists, paedophiles, murderers, etc).
Monsters are not born: they are created. External influences moved her from being a normal, innocent person to a terrorist at odds with normal people. Just because she was changed and led down a bad path doesn't magically absolve her of the consequences of going down that path. |
Mentally old enough to support a genocide and take exams that have a huge impact on her future, too young to decide to have sex (even though I think she did since she has had 3? kids). Even better example is Greta Thunburg, she was 1 year younger than this Miss Giuffre when she was doing such minor things as telling the entire planet how they should be living their lives and with some quite precise details too. The media seem to want to have it both ways, Andrew is exploiting her vulnerability, but she is still old enough to micromanage every aspect of his life and that of the planet |
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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Mentally old enough to support a genocide and take exams that have a huge impact on her future, too young to decide to have sex (even though I think she did since she has had 3? kids). Even better example is Greta Thunburg, she was 1 year younger than this Miss Giuffre when she was doing such minor things as telling the entire planet how they should be living their lives and with some quite precise details too. The media seem to want to have it both ways, Andrew is exploiting her vulnerability, but she is still old enough to micromanage every aspect of his life and that of the planet |
I think that the way education is done, isn't suitable from top to bottom but that is a discussion for another day. Kids are thrown into making long-term decisions too early in my opinion.
Regarding Greta Thunburg, again I think she is too young and naïve to be trying to tell the world what to do and has been used as a puppet by those around her. She isn't the power-holder in her movement: she is merely the public figure head of it. As a parent, I think the first duty of a parent is to provide their child a childhood. Greta's parents failed that task.
Personally, I think that climate change is the largest threat faced by humanity but in all honesty I think we are already past the point of no-return. As a species, we have extremely poorly managed the resources of our planet and doomed the future of our species. There isn't going to be a WWIII because of Ukraine: but there probably will be in the Great Resource War in the future, a future that might even come within my own lifetime.
What we do as a species is not sustainable. We are looking at all the wrong problems like wokeness, racism, trans-rights. They are all things that are somewhat important and should be discussed and progress made in, but they are weak-sauce problems that are being used to distract us from the real and impending actual problems.
How is the world going to feed 12,000,000,000 people in 2050 when it can barely cope with 7,900,000,000 in 2022? How can the resources of the planet provide 12,000,000,000 people enough jobs, space, resources, etc to give them the life aspirations that they want to have?
Enjoy the time you have now ladies and gentlemen. The clock is ticking down and we will be the last generations to enjoy it as it is now.
WE. ARE. FUCKED.
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Crikey, that grouchy jocko, he's got a bit of the Hamlet about him, innee?
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Soliloquysing* about all over the place, what a chap
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Easy-X wrote: | I think climate change action is the greatest threat to humanity. The plebs are told to return to the cave and raw meat a flexitarian diet of soy and ground cockroaches while the 1%ers continue their idyllic life of gated communities, chauffeur driven V12 Bentleys and private jets. All paid for out of "green" taxes (basically the plot to Elysium.) |
I don't disagree at all. I just wanted to point out the fact that no matter what is done, the climate is already fucked and even if we stop right now 100% across the entirety of society: IT IS STILL FUCKED. ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 70 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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