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xX-Alex-Xx
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Garage security Reply with quote

As my new house will be coming with a garage, just wondering what others do to help keep their kit secure?

Already planning on putting a camera at the back of the garage on the inside, probably with motion sensor lights (more for convenience than security but hey). Will be putting a ground anchor in the floor for the chain. Any good tips on security for the door itself? Was thinking something along the lines of a Garage Defender...

https://www.screwfix.com/p/squire-ga4-garage-defender/79478

Anything else worth considering?
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the garage have windows, if so i bought a pack of "glass beak sensors" for my garage windows, battery powered, but makes a right old racket when you bang on the glass

Garage door defender is a good plan, i had one at my old house that had a detached garage, but my current house has a integrated garage, and i could find any that could be undone from the inside, and i don't like the added faff of having to go outside just to open my garage door
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standard cheap up and over garage doors are flimsy and weak so upgrading the door will make your garage slightly more Fort Knox.

IMO garage defenders are solid enough to mean that there are easier motorbikes to steal than yours.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old garage originally had just a single point locking mechanism at the top that could be popped with a screwdriver, so I replaced it with what I was told was a much more secure 4 point locking door. The bastards just folded the door at the bottom, popped it of its rails and took both bikes anyway.

I replaced that with the same type, but with a garage defender after that. Much more secure, but it was a pain in the arse to have to sod about with every time I wanted to get something from the garage, let alone take the bike out.

The area in front of the garage was just compacted earth, so dug part of that out to extend the concrete base enough to fit the base plate to. the surrounding earth meant that whenever it rained the bottom of the garage door would get splattered with mud, right where the padlock was, so you'd be fighting against gritty sludge when trying to unlock it.

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PostPosted: 10:12 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
Does the garage have windows, if so i bought a pack of "glass beak sensors" for my garage windows, battery powered, but makes a right old racket when you bang on the glass

Garage door defender is a good plan, i had one at my old house that had a detached garage, but my current house has a integrated garage, and i could find any that could be undone from the inside, and i don't like the added faff of having to go outside just to open my garage door


No windows fortunately. Camera with motion detection should be enough, long as they don't knock out the internet first Laughing

Ste wrote:
Standard cheap up and over garage doors are flimsy and weak so upgrading the door will make your garage slightly more Fort Knox.


The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
My old garage originally had just a single point locking mechanism at the top that could be popped with a screwdriver, so I replaced it with what I was told was a much more secure 4 point locking door. The bastards just folded the door at the bottom, popped it of its rails and took both bikes anyway.


Depending on the quality of the door I might add a bit of extra cross-bracing, don't know if it would make any difference... Hopefully the additional visible security on the outside might put off at least a %age of TWOCing bastards
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I get a garage, I am only going to put one of these behind the door:

https://image4security.com/collections/guardsman-garage-security-barrier

and have a RoadLok on the front wheel as my next big bike is going to have radial calipers:

https://roadlok.com/will-it-fit

Done. Anything more will only be an extra hinderance to myself.

RoadLok:

1. Cut through the bolts (2 cuts), then,
2. Cut through the brake disc (2 cuts).

Guardsman Barrier:

3. Cut through the tube (2 cuts if only 1 thief, 1 cut if there is two with enough strength to produce enough bending moment to yield the tube to the side enough to drag the bike through).

If they don't want to cut anything then good luck to the team of guys having to lift the bike over the barrier.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
When I get a garage, I am only going to put one of these behind the door:

https://image4security.com/collections/guardsman-garage-security-barrier


Looks ok, but it'll not stop them taking all the tools and other kit from the garage. Good solution for vehicles-only garages though.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
When I get a garage, I am only going to put one of these behind the door:

https://image4security.com/collections/guardsman-garage-security-barrier


Looks ok, but it'll not stop them taking all the tools and other kit from the garage. Good solution for vehicles-only garages though.


You over-estimate the value of my tools Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea of a physical barrier across I like if the garage had that purpose only, but I use mine as a workshop, it has a (beer) fridge in it, washing machine etc.. but is still detached so trying to get past a literal barrier like that would be a pain.

Defenders are good - they hardly make it impossible, but they make it harder. Ground anchor - check the floor is genuinely solid concrete. Sometimes it's a thin skim. Don't skimp on the garage anchor - once it's there, it's there - worth getting a heavy duty one. Just check exactly where you want it and try (as best you can) to envisage how other future bikes may sit in relation to it (e.g. current bike you might get a chain through the frame, next bike it might have to be the rear wheel etc..).

Nice powerful PIR floodlight out front. Try to reduce "peep holes" around the garage, so shim/fill any gaps as much as possible so people can't peer in to see what's inside.

Ideally connect up to a house alarm, or an alarm of some sort.

Whatever the measures, any garage is infinitely better than being outside. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:

Nice powerful PIR floodlight out front.

Ideally connect up to a house alarm, or an alarm of some sort.

Whatever the measures, any garage is infinitely better than being outside. Thumbs Up


You can get battery operated alarm that are quite loud, I’ve got one in the ‘Pepperami Shed Of Bike Death’.
I’ve got Curtains on the window and a metal grill to stop the peepers.
I also have two PIR lights, one for the garage and one for the shed.
+ assorted chains ,disc locks ,
And the car is parked right up close to the garage to prevent anybody wheeling any of the bikes out if they got through the chains & locks.

None of this would stop professional thieves if they really wanted my shit bikes.
It will make it less likely for opportunist scumbags to be successful if they try.
I’ve personally found that the less people know about my bikes the better, out of sight out of mind.

My point being: many obstacles will slow the scumbags down and hopefully attract attention.
And discretion is a very underrated way to avoid scumbags attention.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
And discretion is a very underrated way to avoid scumbags attention.


This Thumbs Up

My Mrs thinks I'm paranoid, but I go to reasonable lengths to minimise the visibility of my bikes to folk walking past my house (after all, you never know who they are). As you say, I figure the less people that know about the bikes the less chance anyone will ever know there's a bike in there (as opposed to a half a bag of gone-hard cement and some broken patio furniture).
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 18 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up and over garage doors are a bit shit for security by design. They can only have two points of contact at the side - the rollers.

My next major garage change is going to be an electric roller shutter door. This will have some security benefit (once I swap out the radio controller for something using proper security*) because it will sit in rails all the way down to the floor. Main benefit is getting some wall space back for yet more shelving and hanging stuff.


* The radio controllers are easily spoofed, and worth changing if you're the paranoid type or a security geek. I'm a lazy geek, so I'll be doing something involving an internet connection and an IFTT command to operate it through google home.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Up and over garage doors are a bit shit for security by design. They can only have two points of contact at the side - the rollers.



Both my last 2 houses have had up & over garage doors, luckily both were accessible by secure side doors (current one is attached to the house), so what i have always done is to fit a couple of shoot bolts to the bottom edges on the inside of the door

If only accessible from the outside, something like this would be just as effective

https://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/video/enfield-garage-door-bolt-installation-video_cc64c552c.html
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that I'm lazy, so anything involving more keys, more locks and bolts to get sticky, just isn't going to happen. I always aim to improve security and laziness.
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