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B1N
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Holts Tyreweld with tubed tyres? Reply with quote

Does anyone know if you can use Holts Tyreweld in inner tubes / tubed tyres?
If so I'll carry a can of it with me.
Zero information on Holts website, doesn't mention you can, doesn't mention you can't.
Also, does anybody have any experience of tubed tyre puncture prevention or other quick roadside aerosol fixes? Smile
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not used Holts Tyreweld but my son uses Goop in his mountain bike and I've put some in the tubed tyres on my Tiger! ... Does it work? Who knows?

https://www.goopuk.com/product-page/goop-500ml
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

just ordered two bottles of Goop
for my scooter and car which have slightly leaky rims
that go flat over 2/3 weeks

On the demo vid it says "for tubed and tubeless tyres"
https://www.goopuk.com/demo-video

hope it sorts my irritating slow leaks out
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the screwfix site it says tubeless only, I have seen similar products suggest you can use in tubes too, it will mean new tube rather than patch mot likely.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/holts-tyreweld-puncture-repair/59631
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I ahve used it successfully in a punctured tubed tyre and did another 500 miles on it. It did go soft after a couple fo days but pumped up again. i couldn't find the puncture when I went to repair the tube so I just replaced it . The tyre was full of what looked like water with little shreds of rubber in it.

I now pre-treat my tubes with oko.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can put it in a tube. its hit and miss as whether or not it will fix your puncture though.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
You can put it in a tube. its hit and miss as whether or not it will fix your puncture though.


i think a lot of tube punctures are due to the tyre slipping on the rim and ripping the valve out. Nothing will fix this. Not screwing the valvestem nut down against the rim can help prevent it or allow you to notice it's happening in time to do something about it. I always screw the nut up against the valve cap on my trials bike for this reason.

It'll probably seal a wee snakebite puncture or a thorn penetration.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 19 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


i think a lot of tube punctures are due to the tyre slipping on the rim and ripping the valve out. Nothing will fix this. Not screwing the valvestem nut down against the rim can help prevent it or allow you to notice it's happening in time to do something about it. I always screw the nut up against the valve cap on my trials bike for this reason.

It'll probably seal a wee snakebite puncture or a thorn penetration.


Yeah deffo. Ive tried 3 times and it failed twice. one was a valve stem tear, the other was a large patch delaminating, the third was a drawing pin. I bet you can guess which one out of 3 was successful.
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 20 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chances of fixing a flat with a tube is much lower than tubeless. I used that green slime (not that brand just similar) flat preventative with good success in go-carts with tubes I was getting a lot of flats before using it and none after. The other thing was they never needed air added they just keep their pressure.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 20 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to carry a small can of tyreweld (or Aldi's equivalent) when I had tubed tyres.

It does work, as long as it's only a small puncture hole. It got me out of trouble on a couple of occasions (one thorn, one screw), and only once did it fail me - when it turned out the tube had a huge split.


(Now I have tubeless tyres I carry strings)
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 20 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of good info there, thanks you lot. Thumbs Up
I'm going to get some oko, see how that works for me.

I fitted a new front tyre today, a bit of a wrestling match that was. Laughing

I saw a tip on a you tube video which said if fitting a brand new tyre to fit it without the tube first to stretch it a bit without the worry of nipping the tube, it goes on much easier second time, it worked great.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 20 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also lots of soap, you can wipe it off once the bead's over.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 20 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used this stuff, it would have probably been a bit easier with fairy liquid but I wanted to use something that would evaporate away without leaving moisture in there.
https://www.mrmuscleclean.com/~/media/mrmuscle/products/window_glass_cleaner_v2.png?la=en-gb&hash=95D482FC95743C0F36F130948135BAB5

Also a rubber mallet to wallop the bead right into the centre of the rim when prizing away with the tyre levers is handy too, the Avon Roadrider is a substantial piece of rubber. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 20 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

B1N wrote:


Also a rubber mallet to wallop the bead right into the centre of the rim when prizing away with the tyre levers is handy too, the Avon Roadrider is a substantial piece of rubber. Very Happy


Meh. You should try fitting a safety mileage.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 21 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think Marquez uses Tyreweld? There is maybe a reason for this. Personally I wouldn't trust it anymore than getting home.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 21 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
Do you think Marquez uses Tyreweld? There is maybe a reason for this. Personally I wouldn't trust it anymore than getting home.


I'm pretty sure that's what we're talking about.

Equally, do you think Marquez gets many punctures and expects a tyre to last for 4,000 miles?
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 22 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Meh. You should try fitting a safety mileage.


A quick question about that.
The roadrider doesn't have any sort of marker or dot to show the light or heavy side of the tyre, just a barcode on the bead.
I looked on Avon website, I couldn't find any information there.
Does the Safety Mileage have a barcode on the bead, do you take that to be the heavy or light side?
I've fitted the barcode opposite the valve, now upon balancing it seems very heavy on the valve side, maybe I've got it wrong.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 22 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
Do you think Marquez uses Tyreweld? There is maybe a reason for this.

Do you think he uses inner tubes?
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 22 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
Do you think Marquez uses Tyreweld? There is maybe a reason for this. Personally I wouldn't trust it anymore than getting home.


I don't think Marc Marquez would be waiting 2 1/2 hours for recovery in the rain at the side of A6 either. Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 22 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

B1N wrote:
in the rain

It's 2022 and we still don't have wipers on visors.

Rain
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 22 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre weld is shite.

A tyre sealant works better.

Tyre sealant work fine in tubed tyres.

There was an issue year's ago where sealant tamperfered with patch adhesive so old repairs would fail after sealant was added for a new repair.

I think that incompatibility has been addressed by thesealant manufacturer's boffins.

Tyre weld is a very different compound compared to Tyre sealants.

Ultraseal and puncturesafe are sealants.

Tyre Fitting Fannies cry a lot about sealant and not being able to stick patches on tyres that had sealant added.

Redundant problem as you don't need patches if there is sealant added.

Any hole sealant doesn't fix is a non repairable hole anyway and shouldn't be fixed.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 22 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

B1N wrote:

A quick question about that.
The roadrider doesn't have any sort of marker or dot to show the light or heavy side of the tyre, just a barcode on the bead.
I looked on Avon website, I couldn't find any information there.
Does the Safety Mileage have a barcode on the bead, do you take that to be the heavy or light side?
I've fitted the barcode opposite the valve, now upon balancing it seems very heavy on the valve side, maybe I've got it wrong.


I'll be honest. I don't bother my arse balancing them and wont unless I notice an issue. I'm fitting them to Indian made spoked wheels, they are barely round, never mind balanced. Anything you fit a safety mileage to is probably not going quickly enough for wheel balance to be much of an issue.

I also have oko in them which I kind of figure will take up a lot of the slack when it comes to balance in the same way as balance beads may or may not.
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PostPosted: 04:45 - 23 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorcycle tyres are hand built from 90% natural products so are inherently out of balance.


https://youtu.be/KTvD2NMyNP4

I believe car andt truck tyres follow a similar process.

Bike tyres are more expensive compared more specialised and not as many are mass produced. Volumes reduce costs.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 24 May 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'll be honest. I don't bother my arse balancing them and wont unless I notice an issue. I'm fitting them to Indian made spoked wheels, they are barely round, never mind balanced. Anything you fit a safety mileage to is probably not going quickly enough for wheel balance to be much of an issue.

I also have oko in them which I kind of figure will take up a lot of the slack when it comes to balance in the same way as balance beads may or may not.


Yeah, I see your point, I've taken the tyre off again and put it back on round 180 degrees with the bar code lined up with the valve, I'll try and balance it tomorrow, fingers crossed.
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