A question of balance

[pinkyfloyd]

[Ste]

How frequently do you get people who aren't safe enough for you to take on the road riding bit of the CBT?

[Easy-X]

A lot of schools round my area are just bi-annual rubber stamps for the Deliveroo crowd; ppl wanting to genuinely ride a motorcycle are in the minority

I do recall being offered a YBR125 and refusing: "no, give me this chinese piece of shit. If I can ride that I can ride anything" and apart from a game of hunt-the-neutral it was fine
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[pinkyfloyd]

[Skudd]

Simple piss poor teaching skills. The issue with teaching in groups is that you will come across someone who isn't at the same level as the others and requires more one on one training. Saying that a child can do this or that so you should be able to do stuff is wrong, just very wrong and not helpful at all. When I was an ADI I saw many people who you would have thought would understand simple instructions, but they couldn't, so as an instructor your job was to find a method that suited their learning method, not bully them into your teaching method and if they don't do it that way they must be wrong.

Those teaching the CBT should be able and take into account people who have never ridden, not even a push bike.
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[BRUN]

as already covered really, find a new school, dont do it on a scooter, make sure their isnt 8 of you etc

on my CBT their was me and 1 other person, I had never been on a bike before in my life

glad you havent let that bad experience put you off

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Easy-X]

[Skudd]

I think all these delivery riders should have a full licence before they can deliver. My reasoning? Because I do that's why.
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Famous last words of Humpty Dumpty. " Stop pushing me "
Petty Anarchists look at "1984".............. The Visionary looks at "Animal Farm".

[ThunderGuts]

As all the above. Sounds like you had a nail for both a bike and for an instructor. Find yourself a better school and try again.

Despite doing thousands of cycle miles a year, I have a recollection I found balancing a 125 geared bike a bit tricky initially (probably concentrating too much on the clutch). Probably took 10 minutes of effort then I got into it, then all was well. Was recommended to go straight onto the DAS at the end of the day which I did and sailed through.

Get a good school and don't be disheartened by what's happened previously - go with an open mind and a clean sheet; you'll be fine.
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[Freddyfruitba...]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Because the industry would die without people getting minimum wage doing the deliveries.

Most of it is gig economy as well so probably not even minimum wage when the running costs are taken into account.
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[ThunderGuts]

Let's not forget it's still a massive improvement over the 30mph e-bikes the "other" delivery riders use, the ones that ride footpaths, ped zones, traffic lights don't exist and looking ahead is optional. At least the CBT equipped riders have some culpability.
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[A100man]

The whole delivery business is getting way out of hand. takeaway food for the old or infirm only...

The fact that 'they' advertise forgetting milk and.or butter as a catastrophe close to the end of mankind just shows how ludicrous it's become/becoming

Who want cold soggy McDs either? Hateful nonsense (IMHO).
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Easy-X]

[Bhud]

I've been thinking recently that there's little more than a base expectation of takeaway food and alcohol keeping this whole thing together. It's what urban people now expect as a part of normal, everyday life. It isn't a treat any more. It's an experience of abundance, and a reassurance ritual. Without it, you'd get riots. That's why they'll never do away with the CBT. The fragile peace depends on underinsured and undertrained kids delivering pizza, fried chicken and kebabs around urban areas. It keeps them quiet. Otherwise, the CBT would have been gone, years ago.

[Nobby the Bastard]

So what would you suggest? A return to an old part 1 test before you do a proper test bearing in mind my training to ride a bike was 3 times round the playing field and then fucking off down the road before the owner got chance to stop me
Before you ask, I gave it back.

The 80s was a different world. Cbt means that bike riders are riding to a survivable level.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Oh, and 'not for hire or reward' only applies on categories that carry passengers because to be a bus driver you have to have a psv licence.

My D1 licence (upto 14 seats) says that. My C1 licence gives me freedom to drive anything up to 8.5 tonne with no restrictions.
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[Bhud]

I haven't got any suggestions for improvement. I think it's a pretty good system, but it belongs to a different era. It will have to change or disappear though. Around here, it's getting more and more built-up, and more like London with every passing year. There are e-scooters being used everywhere, illegally. Same with electric bikes. Plus, there are delivery riders with no helmet riding the sit-on type of electric scooter (they look like mopeds) on the pavements. There was a guy who came on this forum who wanted to ride off-road, and who was complaining about the training and licensing process. I don't think he has long to wait before the training system is relegated to being a legacy system. I don't know what will replace it, but I suspect it's just a few years away, and will be a tech-based solution rather than a skills-based one.

If you add together:
induced demand
traffic evaporation policies

then you get low-traffic/zero traffic neighbourhoods. Bike lanes/cycle lanes are a red herring. Bikes that sell around the £1000 mark are e-bikes now (or so I've been told). These things will be modified, the lines between road and pedestrian or cyclist zone or bus zone will be blurred, and the only solution anyone will tolerate is geofencing, GPS tracking, remote locking features, etc. The subscription model means that electric cars are available to most people, and while there are still roads people will "opt out" of the public transport and ebike options, and still get cars. Therefore, I would expect a proliferation of 4-wheeled EVs, an attendant reaction against a return of high traffic levels, and what follows after that a new taxation regime requiring some sort of black box, under the premise that this will reduce 4-wheeled EV congestion. The same tech could be applied to the escooters and ebikes which will replace the 125s and mopeds, and which won't have number plates and will be completely uninsured. That's my best guess as to what may happen. The point being that a blind eye would need to be turned towards e-bikes in the meantime, for all this to happen. Even a requirement to have CBT would be seen as an impediment to the bright green future.

[Easy-X]

[Abaaba]

I think they had too many trainees and wanted to get rid of someone lol - maybe you were the weakest link (wink)

if you can ride a pushbike you should be able to ride a motorbike, not that much difference really except a motor doing the hard work for you.

So the question is (sorry if you answered it and I missed it) Can you ride a pushbike? if yes, then your CBT certificate is waiting for you.


EDIT - come to think of it, I dropped the bike when I did my CBT and it took us (another trainee and I) 2 days to complete it (not my fault lol).....after CBT I went straight to DAS and the rest, as they say, is history...........keep at it mate.

[A100man]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]