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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Crystal meth and fentanyl were found in his system which means he'd been taking counterfeit prescription pills.

He had previously been prescribed Vicodin which is an opioid, I can't find anything which says how long ago that was.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, we mustn't forget he's just a victim of the Machine and bears no responsibility for any of his actions.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Crystal meth and fentanyl were found in his system which means he'd been taking counterfeit prescription pills.


Is this the fault of "Big Pharma"? (It would be nice for Nobby to answer this Smile ).
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
I didn't say he wasn't responsible for his actions. I would point out he died as a result of a routine traffic traffic stop and the combination of him trying to hide his illicit drugs he was taking because he'd clearly developed an adiction when he was prescribed opioids and the horrific restraint used by the police.

I will also point out addiction isn't considered a disability under UK law unless its the result of taking adictive drugs that where prescribed.

Quite frankly I find it quite bizarre when people I know take illegal drugs think that others shouldn't.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
he died as a result of a routine traffic traffic stop

Police being called by a shop manager because he was trying to pay using a counterfeit twenty note isn't a routine traffic stop.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah, there are so many occasions when people shouldn't have died on police hands in the states they start to blur together.

Either way, what was basically summary execution was a massive overreaction for the crime committed.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Is this the fault of "Big Pharma"? (It would be nice for Nobby to answer this Smile ).

Big Pharma played a significant role in the American opioid crisis.

So that you get a nice complete answer I've found this page https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2 which covers it all nicely. It's a massive wall of text so here's one important part of the article:

"Before the present epidemic, opioids were prescribed mainly for short-term uses such as pain relief after surgery or for people with advanced cancer or other terminal conditions. But in the United States, the idea that opioids might be safer and less addictive than was previously thought began to take root. A letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1980 reported that of 11,882 hospitalized people who were prescribed opioids, only four became addicted1, but the short letter provided no evidence to back up these claims. A widely cited 1986 study, involving only 38 people, advocated using opioids to treat chronic pain unrelated to cancer2. The prevailing view is that these studies were over-interpreted. But at the time, they contributed to the perception that opioids were addictive only when used recreationally — and not when used to treat pain.

Prescriptions for opioids increased gradually throughout the 1980s and early 1990s. But it wasn’t until the mid-1990s, when pharmaceutical companies introduced new opioid-based products — and, in particular, OxyContin, a sustained-release formulation of a decades-old medication called oxycodone, manufactured by Purdue Pharma in Stamford, Connecticut — that such prescriptions surged and the use of opioids to treat chronic pain became widespread.

Purdue Pharma and other companies promoted their opioid products heavily. They lobbied lawmakers, sponsored continuing medical-education courses, funded professional and patient organizations and sent representatives to visit individual doctors. During all of these activities, they emphasized the safety, efficacy and low potential for addiction of prescription opioids.

In fact, opioids are not particularly effective for treating chronic pain; with long-term use, people can develop tolerance to the drugs and even become more sensitive to pain. And the claim that OxyContin was less addictive than other opioid painkillers was untrue — Purdue Pharma knew that it was addictive, as it admitted in a 2007 lawsuit that resulted in a US$635 million fine for the company. But doctors and patients were unaware of that at the time.

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Doctors didn’t question what they were told by pharmaceutical representatives and on continuing medical education courses about prescription opioids, in part because of a lack of experience, says Stephen Bernard, a palliative-care specialist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “Physicians don’t get a lot of good training in pain management,” he says.

The structure of the health-care system in the United States also contributed to the overprescription of opioids. Because many doctors are in private practice, they can benefit financially by increasing the volume of patients that they see, as well as by ensuring patient satisfaction, which can incentivize the overprescription of pain medication. Prescription opioids are also cheap in the short term. Patients’ health-insurance plans often covered pain medication but not pain-management approaches such as physical therapy. “The incentives were there for people to prescribe more and more, particularly when they had already been convinced it was the right thing to do — the compassionate thing to do,” Humphreys says."
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's even a very successful TV series (about 10 seasons) about a Doctor addicted to an opioid prescribed to him, House.

That's how pervasive it was the states.

In the uk opioids are only used for acute injury, where barbiturates are not appropriate for surgery because alcoholism, palative (end of.life) pain relief and for addicts where no other treatment works.

If I remember one of the cast of friends ended up addicted to them and it was the cause of the actress who played penny in the big bang theory divorcing her first husband.

Both Prince and Michael Jackson died from fentonyl, an opioid prescribed for pain.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh, and it's not a big pharma conspiricy theory, one of them has settled.with the US government for an amount that's close to the gross national produce of some.quite big and successful countries.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
In the uk opioids are only used for acute injury, where barbiturates are not appropriate for surgery because alcoholism, palative (end of.life) pain relief and for addicts where no other treatment works.

That's a gross oversimplification which completely ignores the reasons behind why prescriptions are dealt with so differently in the UK compared to America.

It's much the same as saying "addiction isn't considered a disability under UK law" because technically it's correct but it's omitting important details in order to make it sound far worse than it really is. The important bit in this case being that whilst addiction isn't a disability, any physical of mental impairments caused by the addiction are considered a disability.

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Both Prince and Michael Jackson died from fentonyl, an opioid prescribed for pain.

Prince died as a result of taking counterfeit pills that contained fentanyl. Jackson died as a result of being administered a fuck load of different prescription drugs
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jackson died as a result of an overdose of the general anaesthetic propofol being administered by his unscrupulous doctor.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Quite frankly I find it quite bizarre when people I know take illegal drugs think that others shouldn't.


It depends on how they handle them. If they make you hold a gun to a pregnant woman's belly in order to rob her, I'd be inclined to lock you up and throw away the key. At least you'd still be alive.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Quite frankly I find it quite bizarre when people I know take illegal drugs think that others shouldn't.


It depends on how they handle them. If they make you hold a gun to a pregnant woman's belly in order to rob her, I'd be inclined to lock you up and throw away the key. At least you'd still be alive.


And if you were trying to pass a dodgy note?
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 16 Jun 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


And if you were trying to pass a dodgy note?


You wouldn't be because you'd be in prison for your previous crimes.
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Nobby the Bastard wrote:

In the uk opioids are only used for acute injury, where barbiturates are not appropriate for surgery because alcoholism, palative (end of.life) pain relief and for addicts where no other treatment works.


That's not true at all.

My Dads GP tried to put him on on oral morphine and antidepressants for his chronic and increasingly severe back pain. I can only conclude this is because they couldn't be arsed finding out what the problem actually was and it would make him go away as cheaply as possible (morphine and antidepressants are cheap).

He eventually went private, saw a physio who immediately sent him for x-rays and an appointment with an orthopaedic consultant which showed it wasn't back pain at all, it was severe hip arthritis. That was all within a week of making the call. He's booked in for a new hip on Saturday.
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Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Quite frankly I find it quite bizarre when people I know take illegal drugs think that others shouldn't.


I may have, in the past, "inhaled" as they say... but I have this really bizarre belief that children shouldn't be smoking cannabis! I know, I'm a dinosaur, soz.
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Oooooh. Think of the kids.!!!

Ffs
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Oooooh. Think of the kids.!!!

Ffs


Yeah, fuck the kids, they're all mental anyway Laughing
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Mental illness is big money... pills, hormones, "top" surgery etc. It's the best thing since BitCoin!
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Don't get me wrong, Labour are just as bad. In my mind the whole stupid house price shit started post year 2000. Guess who was PM then?

Not just in your mind it was under Blair...
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A combination of mass immigration, not building enough houses, and the selling off of BCF's favourite council housing.

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People seem happy to rent nowadays rather than buy.

I don't know anyone who's happy in rented accommodation. They have no security, and landlords keep trying to get rid of them so they can get new tenants in for higher rents.
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Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Either way, what was basically summary execution was a massive overreaction for the crime committed.

Chauvin didn't turn up and pin him to the ground for trying to pass off a dodgy not. George Floyd decided to spaz out when being questioned, especially when he was being put in the back of a police car (which is when he started saying he couldn't breathe), after which Chauvin restrained him.

Lots of people have died whilst being restrained in the US and UK. The whole knee in the neck, asphyxiation narrative was complete BS, he had a bad heart, covid, and a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.
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M.C wrote:
bhinso wrote:
Don't get me wrong, Labour are just as bad. In my mind the whole stupid house price shit started post year 2000. Guess who was PM then?

Not just in your mind it was under Blair...
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A combination of mass immigration, not building enough houses, and the selling off of BCF's favourite council housing.


That's just crazy, so in 1995 a £50k house is now worth over £250k. It must be disconcerting to see prices rise by more annually than you even earn in that year, let alone save.

I don't think the government mind this trend either - higher prices means more stamp duty £££
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 06 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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M.C wrote:

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A combination of mass immigration, not building enough houses, and the selling off of BCF's favourite council housing.


That's just crazy, so in 1995 a £50k house is now worth over £250k. It must be disconcerting to see prices rise by more annually than you even earn in that year, let alone save.


Rookie numbers compared to you've guessed where...

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/howmuch.jpg

That house was probably a bit cheap in '99 but I mean that ground floor flat Shocked Also we're talking a shit area. That's why I used to get into such big arguments with MPD over it, he acted like it was nothing when he had to re-mortgage mid-boom and saw first hand how insane things had gotten.

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I don't think the government mind this trend either - higher prices means more stamp duty £££

Yep. Even on Labour's side a lot of them are landlords, so they see higher rent yields as people can't afford to buy, and their portfolio going up in value. Also people making money on their property isn't exactly a vote loser.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 06 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Judging by the1999 price the odds are that the flat was right to buy.
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Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Judging by the1999 price the odds are that the flat was right to buy.

I know the street and it's not council housing. I know of the odd housing association ground floor flat in the area (1999 was the house not the flat sale btw), but I thought RTB with housing associations was a lot more recent?
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