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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | I don't get why this is such an important issue for those replying in this thread. I haven't seen any women reply here yet. I suspect here it is merely about political tribalism, since my guess is no one here is affected by any of it. Strikes as me as a bit dumb to get worked up over something you're not affected by. |
Nope not political tribalism. It's about freedom of choice and the religious nutters that want to impose their distorted views on women. |
It's the US we're talking about, not here. What are you worried about? All kinds of countries have all kinds of laws we don't like, but I don't hear you getting worked up about those. Why this issue in the US?
Quote: | By the way, my father got worked up about something that didn't really affect him and joined up before WW2. Principles matter. |
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Briefly put, when a woman is inseminated by IVF, in order to increase chances of a successful procedure the quack will fertilise a bunch of eggs in the lab and then implant that which is deemed to be most viable.
Unfortunately, in States like Texas that recognise the right to life from the moment of conception that now leaves the lab with fertilised eggs that can't be flushed down the bog...
While I thoroughly agree with the adoption before IVF route, many of the nice middle class folks who go through IVF aren't that keen on adopting crack/spacked up babies. ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | I don't get why this is such an important issue for those replying in this thread. I haven't seen any women reply here yet. I suspect here it is merely about political tribalism, since my guess is no one here is affected by any of it. Strikes as me as a bit dumb to get worked up over something you're not affected by. |
Nope not political tribalism. It's about freedom of choice and the religious nutters that want to impose their distorted views on women.
By the way, my father got worked up about something that didn't really affect him and joined up before WW2. Principles matter. |
Seems odd that CS would be commenting in this thread, using his own reckoning.
It's not just women who will be affected, this is just the start of a very slippery slope. One of the Supreme Court judges who has been pushing for years to kill Roe v. Wade has already said that the same reasoning applied in overturning it can be used to ban the right to contraception, criminalise buggery and cancel the right to same sex marriage.
What hasn't been said, which I'm sure people will jump on soon, is that the very same reasoning can be applied to anything that wasn't mentioned in the Constitution - privacy, car licensing, climate issues, the right to own your own Cruise missile set up to mention but a few. ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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I'm not commenting on the subject. None of you know my views on it, if I have any at all, nor does it matter to you what I think. I'm just curious as to what's driving people here on BCF to get worked up about this to the point where they'll call each other names. It seems to happen with more and more subjects these days.
I don't buy the "slippery slope" argument either. You could make that argument for any subject, any law, and connect it to anything else at all. People need to be a bit more careful about what hills they choose to die on. Fwiw, my advice would be to think closer to home if you generally want a happier life.
But you're right. This subject isn't for me, I know that much. Adios my little argumentative friends ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | @mentalboy
I'm not commenting on the subject. None of you know my views on it, if I have any at all, nor does it matter to you what I think. I'm just curious as to what's driving people here on BCF to get worked up about this to the point where they'll call each other names. It seems to happen with more and more subjects these days.
I don't buy the "slippery slope" argument either. You could make that argument for any subject, any law, and connect it to anything else at all. People need to be a bit more careful about what hills they choose to die on. Fwiw, my advice would be to think closer to home if you generally want a happier life.
But you're right. This subject isn't for me, I know that much. Adios my little argumentative friends |
I must have missed the posts on this thread with name calling, wouldn't surprise me though, even if, as you correctly point out, it's got sweet FA to do with most Europeans.
Personally speaking, as I'm in South Carolina where a trigger law has kicked in and banned abortion from the heartbeat detection stage, if the electorate votes in candidates with medieval attitudes then they deserve all that they get. ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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You'd think from a European standpoint and the whole EU thing it'd be easier to grasp how the states part of "USA" works. Each one has its own congress/senate, court system and governor. Obviously it's of benefit to all if some things were centralised, e.g. exterior defence, diplomacy and trade, but there are things the states can do individually like setting taxes. Are there big campaigns on the national level to kick the Amish out of Ohio, the Mormons out of Salt Lake City? No! Don't like that shit you move to another state - that freedom of movement thing the EU love so much.
Due to the peculiar personality of Americans the abortion thing is a hot button topic but imagine if tomorrow the European Courts dictated all countries must allow post-birth abortions? "It's a human right!" People might get a little upset in the UK but fuck, how do you think that shit would go in Poland or even Italy?
I'd like someone to explain to me why it is so dangerous to allow individual states to make their own laws on abortion.
And flipping it the other way with "these are your human rights and you will accept them whether you like it or not!" What do we do with all the ppl who find the concept of abortion abhorrent? "Fuck 'em, they're religious zealots" is not particularly helpful... unless that's a veiled advocation for mass executions.
How about we round up all the nutters and put them in camps? Oooh, too many I think. How about we allocate an area of land and they can all live there away from "normal" people? If we're feeling particularly kind we might allow them to trade with us... ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Islander wrote: | Yep, you've finally lost it.
Nobody is proposing mandatory abortions. What is and should be mandatory is the right to choose and freedom from interference in that decision.
If you're against abortion then fine, don't pursue one but don't try to enforce your dubious principles on others - you have no right whatsoever to do that.
Ultimately, it's a woman's right to choose. It's her body, it's her decision and that's that.
Go on, rate this funny as well. It just shows what a puerile attitude you ultimately have to genuine issues of principle. |
I'll ask again:
Why is moving abortion laws from central to state control so dangerous?
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Yep, interracial marriage which is now at risk due toi the same principle being used against that constitutionally allowed right. |
If you had less state interference in people's lives, they'd have more choice of how to live. Or you can have the state taking ever more control over every little detail of your life. That, you might think, is fine, until the state's decision goes against what you want, as it inevitably will at some point. Do you begin to see why I don't like inflexible political ideologies, no matter the colour of their banner, and why I don't think it's wise to pin your flag to one political party or another? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Don't forget the constitution specifically doesn't really mention religeon so laws shouldn't be set based on religeous opinion. |
"specifically"..."doesn't really"
How many times is "God" mentioned in the Constitution? I was under the impression that it most certainly was built upon such ideas. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 305 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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