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Posted: 23:08 - 27 Jul 2022 Post subject: Wobbling brake caliper |
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Bought a Honda Hornet, first bike.
I recently removed the front left caliper to grease the sliding pins. I've been more observant of it since then, and noticed that its motion appears to be somewhat "wobbly". What I mean with that is whenever the caliper moves outwards, the uppermost past of the caliper (or the upper sliding pin) appears to be moving outwards before the lower part (the lower sliding pin). Same story when it moves inwards again. Attached a homemade, slightly exaggerated figure of somewhat how it looks.
Is this normal or something to worry about? I ask since I removed and reinstalled the caliper myself, with some but not excessive mechanical knowledge, fearing that I messed up somehow. I used a torque wrench for the bolts, so that should at least have been done correctly.
Since I wasn't really observant of the caliper when riding previously, it is likely that it was moving that way previously. If it's not normal, what could it be a sign of? I've been thinking about a bent disc, which maybe could explain why the front brakes sometimes makes squeaking noises when I lead the bike. No vibrations whatsoever when driving so I suspect the squeaking may be due to build up of old brake dust. |
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Posted: 14:59 - 28 Jul 2022 Post subject: |
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marstrand wrote: | WD Forte wrote: | Sounds like a warped disc to me | No surface oxidation from high heat though, and no shaking/vibrations when braking. Think it rather could be bent if the disc actually is deformed. Like if a previous owner has forgotten the disc lock. |
I've seen really quite badly warped disks that didn't have any discolouration, so I wouldn't put too much stock in that.
It's also not going to be the calipers themselves (unless the bolts are loose or something) as nothing changes in the calipers as the wheel rotates. I think WD's suggestion of a slightly warped disk is most likely, and a forgotten disk lock quite possible as a cause. You'd probably need to get the front end off the ground and give the wheel a spin while measuring the disk position against a fixed point (like the fork leg) to confirm though. Might also be worth checking the bolts on the disk are all tight and checking the disk for any cracks.
If the caliper is only moving a couple of mm, the brake performance is good, and you can't actually feel it at the lever, personally, I wouldn't worry about it. ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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OP doesn't say exactly which version of the Hornet they have, and the name has been used a few times. Plus they're probably 'merkin as they say "highway".
Assuming it's a Mk1 CB600F version, they have floating disks and seemingly the same 2-pot sliding calipers as my VFR750. You can see this here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTQlsZpQFVQ
In which case, both the calipers and disks can move slightly. Though presumably, if enough force is being applied to the caliper to make it move, unless they're pretty seized you'd expect it to push the pads back a bit too.
marstrand, are you noticing a lot of travel at the brake lever? Why did you feel you needed to grease the sliding pins in the first place? ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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Zen Dog wrote: | OP doesn't say exactly which version of the Hornet they have, and the name has been used a few times. Plus they're probably 'merkin as they say "highway".
Assuming it's a Mk1 CB600F version, they have floating disks and seemingly the same 2-pot sliding calipers as my VFR750. You can see this here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTQlsZpQFVQ
In which case, both the calipers and disks can move slightly. Though presumably, if enough force is being applied to the caliper to make it move, unless they're pretty seized you'd expect it to push the pads back a bit too.
marstrand, are you noticing a lot of travel at the brake lever? Why did you feel you needed to grease the sliding pins in the first place? | Sorry for my absence, I've been on a trip with my bike for a couple of days. And from further inspections I am now quite sure that it is the disc that is warped/bent. When riding, the left disc wobbles slightly, which is especially clear when comparing to the right disc which is perfectly flat. The wobbling causes the disc to come in contact with the brake pad and therefore also causes the caliper to wobble. I guess this causes the pistons in the caliper to move inwards and outwards, creating friction on the gliding pins, which most likely was the cause of the creaky noise I used to hear when riding. This noise was the reason why I greased the sliding pins.
The disc and caliper is almost identical to the one in the video you linked. Mine do however have ABS (on the right side of the front wheel) and the caliper have three pistons. I do not feel any travel at the brake lever. I don't know which version it is, but the model year is 2011.
I guess I could try to record how it looks. Will try to do that tomorrow.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 270 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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