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| chickenstrip wrote: | I think your "neighbourhoods" are all just a construct of your mind anyway. You're too much of a fan of the sweeping generalisation. |
 So when I go into one area and I'm surrounded by Asian Muslims, then a few miles down the road I'm surrounded by Hasidic Jews, that's a construct? That sounds exactly like something a leftist would say to try and explain away self-segregation/people preferring to be around their own.
I think you're offended when someone provides evidence that contradicts your assertion, and you seem reluctant to challenge your own views, dismissing rather than refuting what's been said.
| chickenstrip wrote: | Modern liberals don't have neighbourhoods or communities. |
They've always had their own communities (like everyone else), they're even building new ones in cities now because city living is fashionable. It's how 'diverse' areas have turned 'trendy' with boutique stores and cafes etc..
| chickenstrip wrote: | And you M.C - where do you fit in all of this? What neighbourhood or community are you a part of, that you can call 'home'? Is it real, or just another construct of your mind? Or perhaps you are alone, like the liberals, belonging nowhere? But at least you are happier than all these others  |
I've always been an outsider in 'the community', it's why I call BS when diversities go on about things being too white and making them feel uncomfortable, as I've seen the other side and how they do a lot more to make people feel unwelcome than simply being there. |
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| M.C wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | I think your "neighbourhoods" are all just a construct of your mind anyway. You're too much of a fan of the sweeping generalisation. |
So when I go into one area and I'm surrounded by Asian Muslims, then a few miles down the road I'm surrounded by Hasidic Jews, that's a construct? That sounds exactly like something a leftist would say to try and explain away self-segregation/people preferring to be around their own.
I think you're offended when someone provides evidence that contradicts your assertion, and you seem reluctant to challenge your own views, dismissing rather than refuting what's been said. |
Firstly, you are assuming too much from a handful of posts on this forum. I'm not at all offended by people challenging my views and thoughts. Much of what I do post is just me thinking aloud anyway, sometimes to provoke a reply in order to understand how others see things (when you read this, try to imagine me smiling benignly - you'll be surprised at the difference ). My mind is not always made up on many such topics. I guess that's probably how most people who think things over are.
So what do you think it is that holds these groups together, and do you think it gives them advantages that make it worthwhile for them to stay in these..."communities"? Do you think we ever had such a thing in this country? Do we still, anywhere? And if so, what holds that together? I think what I'm pushing at here is that we appear to have lost something in this country that we once had, and we need to find it again.
My view is that "multi-culturalism" has been an unmitigated disaster, and will continue to be so. It is far too artificial a construct (that word seems to be stuck in my head now  Substitute a better one in if you like ) We should have stuck with welcoming in those who would adopt our own ways. Doesn't mean we can't sample other cultures from around the world, but if I wanted to live in a muslim society, for e.g., I could convert and go to a muslim country. Some cultures will always clash, we should admit this to ourselves. But that also doesn't mean things will never change in our own culture, but such changes should be allowed to occur naturally, not forced.
| Quote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | Modern liberals don't have neighbourhoods or communities. |
They've always had their own communities (like everyone else), they're even building new ones in cities now because city living is fashionable. It's how 'diverse' areas have turned 'trendy' with boutique stores and cafes etc.. |
Well, yes, ok. So they are the very types who bang on about diversity, but fail to adopt it themselves. So perhaps they have torn down the borders for the rest of us, whilst reinforcing their own.
| Quote: | I've always been an outsider in 'the community', it's why I call BS when diversities go on about things being too white and making them feel uncomfortable, as I've seen the other side and how they do a lot more to make people feel unwelcome than simply being there. |
What defines you and gives you a sense of place? It sounds like you don't have that sense, or have lost it. So what do you have instead to keep you "grounded"? If nothing, what do you think could be done to change that?
Note: you will see me contradict myself from time to time. As I said, this is because I am exploring ideas all the time, I don't assume to know everything (perhaps not much at all ). Life is a paradox!
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| chickenstrip wrote: | So what do you think it is that holds these groups together, and do you think it gives them advantages that make it worthwhile for them to stay in these..."communities"? Do you think we ever had such a thing in this country? Do we still, anywhere? And if so, what holds that together? I think what I'm pushing at here is that we appear to have lost something in this country that we once had, and we need to find it again. |
I think it's a natural instinct, I also think it's pragmatic when you look around the world and see different racial and religious groups not getting along (to put it mildly). We're no different, we do still have 'community', think of village communities or even other smallish towns I visit, where it seems to be alive and well.
Anecdotally older generations tell you about the loss of community (among us) due to multiculturalism in London etc., which I understand, but even then when you look at local associations (friends of <insert park>) that are exclusively white, I'd suggest that's a manifestation of community?
I think we have lost a sense of national identity, but that wasn't organic and it was for pretty obvious reasons.
| chickenstrip wrote: | We should have stuck with welcoming in those who would adopt our own ways. |
How would you determine that? Cos I'd suggest no community has. Name a ethnic minority and then tell me whether they've wholly adapted to British life. They all just seem to do their own thing, the best we can hope for is that 'their own thing' isn't robbing and stabbing or grooming young girls.
| chickenstrip wrote: | Well, yes, ok. So they are the very types who bang on about diversity, but fail to adopt it themselves. So perhaps they have torn down the borders for the rest of us, whilst reinforcing their own. |
Yep, if you were going to displace a people, and you were meek, and cared about how you were perceived, I suggest you'd pretend you were on their side, whilst at the same time undermining them.
It might not even be a conscious act, although financially pricing out the 'diversity' you claim to love, whilst even demolishing their housing (Labour councils are pulling down estates all over London) is pretty transparent IMO.
Bigger picture they still get to support mass immigration, knowing it'll have to go somewhere else, and the ones that can afford to stay will probably be alright... This is the same reason the Tories support mass immigration, although obviously the difference is 'the left' are adding to their voter base.
| chickenstrip wrote: | If nothing, what do you think could be done to change that? |
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| chickenstrip wrote: | If nothing, what do you think could be done to change that? |
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Yep, if you were going to displace a people, and you were meek, and cared about how you were perceived, I suggest you'd pretend you were on their side, whilst at the same time undermining them.
It might not even be a conscious act, although financially pricing out the 'diversity' you claim to love, whilst even demolishing their housing (Labour councils are pulling down estates all over London) is pretty transparent IMO.
Bigger picture they still get to support mass immigration, knowing it'll have to go somewhere else, and the ones that can afford to stay will probably be alright... |
What I don't understand is how long do they think they can keep this up before it affects them adversely, even within their 'gated communities'? I'd love to know what they see the end game to look like. I suspect they don't know themselves.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: | Move |
To what country? |
Every Western nation seems to be going down a similar road, it's a bit like that scene in looper... https://youtu.be/oGo96xzNSEs?t=60
| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
Yep, if you were going to displace a people, and you were meek, and cared about how you were perceived, I suggest you'd pretend you were on their side, whilst at the same time undermining them.
It might not even be a conscious act, although financially pricing out the 'diversity' you claim to love, whilst even demolishing their housing (Labour councils are pulling down estates all over London) is pretty transparent IMO.
Bigger picture they still get to support mass immigration, knowing it'll have to go somewhere else, and the ones that can afford to stay will probably be alright... |
What I don't understand is how long do they think they can keep this up before it affects them adversely, even within their 'gated communities'? I'd love to know what they see the end game to look like. I suspect they don't know themselves. |
Trying to unweave all their contradictions and doublethink is challenging Some buy into the guilt narrative that we deserve it, some are so ideologically driven the reality doesn't matter, and others plain don't care or probably think they'll be dead before things get really bad.
I do think there will be some sort of reckoning, right now lefties are using minority groups (for votes), and minority groups are using them to champion their cause.
Eventually one group will get sick of the other, a bit like how the white working class were abandoned despite Labour being founded on championing their plight. |
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True, Islamists are generally less tolerant than modern-day Christians but my point was if their non-violent majority have declared that their “prophet” should never be depicted I’m prepared to respect that. Why wouldn’t I? It’s no skin off my nose. |
That's fine until violence is threatened or used if you don't. I don't go out of my way to upset such people, but I reserve my right in a modern democratic country to say what I think if I chose to.
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Yeah but you’ve just flipped the argument; you reserve the right to blaspheme someone else’s beliefs and then ask what riled their cage. |
it isn't about rattling cages. It is about the principle of free speech, and the slippery slope that even now we are pushing ourselves off down, and what that leads to. Don't think so? Look at history. It has been demonstrated countless times. What does it take to learn these things? Want to find out for yourself? We have a school teacher right here in his home country in hiding, in fear of his life, for what? Words that harmed no one.
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Played right into the hands of the nut jobs. |
Whom you are siding with. I don't.
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| M.C wrote: | | Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Have you two formed a tag team? |
Considering we were arguing earlier in this convo probably not. |
It wasn't an argument, it was a spirited discussion
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Poor Salmon Rushy...
"Oh, but he did provoke them to do it."
Along the lines of she was wearing a mini-skirt so asking to be raped 
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Again my point is, why deliberately offend ordinary Muslims when that just plays into the hands of the extremists? Or do you think they’re all the same? |
I wasn't aware the teacher in France did? He showed a depiction of the prophet Mohammed, with warning to a class, and an ordinary Muslim girl (who wasn't even present that day) and her ordinary Muslim dad took offence and launched a campaign that resulted in his beheading.
| Easy-X wrote: | Poor Salmon Rushy...
"Oh, but he did provoke them to do it."
Along the lines of she was wearing a mini-skirt so asking to be raped |
Iran's view... https://news.sky.com/story/sir-salman-rushdie-brought-stabbing-attack-on-himself-says-iranian-foreign-ministry-12673468 |
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Again my point is, why deliberately offend ordinary Muslims when that just plays into the hands of the extremists? Or do you think they’re all the same? |
What were the exact circumstances of the 'offence' that sent that teacher into hiding? Did he deliberately set out to offend muslims?
What these extremists are practicing is terrorism, pure and simple. We should crack down on them, not bow to their demands. What else will we tacitly allow? Why just for muslims? Can you extrapolate where this atttitude leads? We shall all have to be silent before we get to the end of it all.
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