When is a war not a war?

[M.C]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

You do know China was running a 1 child policy for about 50 years to prevent overpopulation?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

China still has a very strong 'look after your parents' culture that a lot of western countries have lost so chose to limit population growth and no doubt doesn't have the pension iceberg you will find in the uk.
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[doggone]

Ukraine should probably invade Russia to de-nazify it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-shooting-six-dead-school-izhevsk-b2175213.html

[Easy-X]

"What did you do in the war, daddy?"

Zelensky says Ukraine is applying for NATO membership "under an accelerated procedure"

Unless this application is vetoed we will officially enter World War III

"There are 30 nations in NATO, one of them will see sense!" You'd think but pressure for acceptance coming from the US will be that of a Neutron Star. Given the precarious political situation across the pond "a nice little war" will be just the ticket ahead of the mid-terms

[Polarbear]

[Nobby the Bastard]

NATO won't get involved until a NATo country is threatened.

To date in the Ukrainiane issue no NATO country has been treatened.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

As of todays date, the only time the NATO treaty has been invoked was after the the attack in the states and Afganistan was invaded.
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[chickenstrip]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Having just chcked, Arcticle 5 does actaually say attacked.

Arguably the Nord stream stuff is in scope.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
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[Polarbear]

[chickenstrip]

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[doggone]

I am struggling to believe the Russians blew up their own pipe when they could have just continued to blame shut down on sanctions or just kept the tap off anyway without giving any reason.

If they wanted to blow it from inside or outside why go almost to Denmark to do it.
That area would be a lot easier to get near from the west wouldn't it.

We also have at least two videos of Biden and some other US spokesman literally threatening to close it down permanently. The US was never keen on it and they also benefit from shipping gas to Europe.

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[Nobby the Bastard]

Germany refused to authorise the use of nordstream 2 before intervention came into use. That was largely at the behest of the US.

Neither they or the us have any reason to blow it up.
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[Easy-X]

Wikipedia have quite a detailed article on the pipelines:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_gas_leaks

Key points: 99.99% certainty they - both Nord Stream 1 & 2 - were blown up deliberately with the latter damaged in two separate places 100km apart with almost exactly 17 hours between explosions, 2:03am & 7:03pm. One could believe the explosives were started at a specific times on a 3 minute fuse; only the military would be so unimaginative.

Whilst the locations are at the Sweden/Denmark end they were carefully chosen to still reside in International waters. No problem for anyone to send technical divers to assess the damage especially considering there are other pipelines, comms and power cables in the area.

Russian warships and subs have been all over that area in the usual "wot? we never strayed into your territorial waters!" cat and mouse game. This is the upside of of the Russians being dickheads all the time, easily conceals when they want to do naughty shit. As to "why would the Russians blow up their own pipeline?" well it's not Putin's pipeline. It'd run more like Al Capone burning down a restaurant he part owns for the insurance money.

Conversely NATO ships and submarines are all over the Baltic Sea all the time so either side would have the means, motive and opportunity to blow up the pipelines.

All we can hope for is Sweden to discover an explosive on Nord Stream 1 that failed to detonate as I doubt tracing the chemicals used in the explosives will be very easy in 100m of sea water.
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[Islander]

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[Islander]

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I agree, it seems pretty obvious to us but we have to consider what Biden wants (or at least the people working his strings.) Are they stupid enough to go with "war will help us win the mid-terms"
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[stinkwheel]

I can see this going south but not in a WW3 type way. I can see some Russian general letting a tactical nuke or chemical weapon off the line which will be the green light to move in with a first Gulf war style campaign of overwhelming airstrikes, destroying or pushing all Russian units back behind the original border then giving logistical backup for the Ukranian ground forces take over at the new line.

We haven't seen much airpower come into play and I think the Russian forces are woefully out-teched in this regard. Yes they have some cutting edge tech, but the ground offensive has shown they don't have as much of it as we were lead to believe and even less is actually working. The tank war scenario has also proven that all the Western tech was purpose designed to counter Russian materiel and does it very well. It wouldn't be anything like going head-to-head with the current stand-off capabilities.

That would leave Russia back at their day 1 position with massive losses and hugely depleted capability. Would Putin survive that or would they just wind their neck in and consolidate their existing border? I think they'd see that nuking Ukraine wouldn't achieve any of their stated goals and sulk behind a new iron curtain for another 30 years.
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