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PostPosted: 23:37 - 12 Sep 2022    Post subject: E scooter trial in Canterbury to end after two years Reply with quote

Just had this pop up and not sure how relevent it is but if a council is actually cutting short it's trial due to safety issues surely that's going to affect all the other trials over the country?

The pilot scheme launched in Canterbury in November 2020 for an initial 12-month period but, despite public safety fears and a pedestrian being knocked down, has twice been extended. However, Kent County Council has now rejected an offer from the Department for Transport to continue the trial until May 2024 - well beyond its current end date of November 30 this year. The politician overseeing the trial - KCC's cabinet member for transport, Cllr David Brazier - says he decided to "truncate it before someone was seriously hurt”.

How they are actually coing to police it is of course a totally different kettle of fish. Private scooters are all over MK despite the police saying that the riders are very naughty boys. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 13 Sep 2022    Post subject: Re: E scooter trial in Canterbury to end after two years Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

How they are actually coing to police it is of course a totally different kettle of fish. Private scooters are all over MK despite the police saying that the riders are very naughty boys. Rolling Eyes


Cops around here don't enforce any traffic laws other than putting a few camera vans out occasionally. Red lights are essentially optional at this point. If they're not stopping vehicles with easily identifiable and unique markings, they sure as hell ain't going to be putting in effort to pick up unlicensed scooter riders.

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PostPosted: 13:48 - 13 Sep 2022    Post subject: Re: E scooter trial in Canterbury to end after two years Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

How they are actually coing to police it is of course a totally different kettle of fish. Private scooters are all over MK despite the police saying that the riders are very naughty boys. Rolling Eyes


there are loads of those orange peril death machines round where i live .. on trial same as .. frankly gettin rid of them would be a bonus in itself...
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 13 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more serious injuries will haevto occur before anything is done..

It's going to happen I think but there will be some unhappy consequences meanwhile.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 14 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Around Nottingham it's crazy, kids as young as 10 nipping in and out of traffic, in front of buses on them.

Completely illegal but the police do absolutely nothing. They can go at quite a lick too, danger to pedestrians and the scooter riders themselves on the roads.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 17 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
A few more serious injuries will haevto occur before anything is done..


Perhaps that's the idea instead of police making examples of people misusing them.

You can also get small bicycles with electric motors so whatever problems people have with e-scooters they would also have with those.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 17 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sound like someone who has issues. Here;s a picture of a scooter. Point at where the bad person hurt you.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41j1muS8rrL._AC_UL320_.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 23 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

License, register and mandate compulsory insurance on them or ban them outright imho. If they could be insured I would actually get one.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 23 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
License, register and mandate compulsory insurance on them or ban them outright imho. If they could be insured I would actually get one.


Too late for that. There are hundreds (no exageration) of private ones running around MK. I doubt if there are enough police to make a dent in them if banned and if they didn't it would make the police look even more ineffective than they are now.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 23 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
If they could be insured I would actually get one.

Here you go. Wink

https://www.rideandglide.co.uk/the-uks-first-road-legal-electric-scooter/

They seem to be better at making road legal electric scooters than they are at making websites that work properly. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 26 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Here you go. Wink

https://www.rideandglide.co.uk/the-uks-first-road-legal-electric-scooter/

They seem to be better at making road legal electric scooters than they are at making websites that work properly. Rolling Eyes


That thing is ugly as sin though. If I could insure this thing I would absolutely buy it:

https://kaabouk.com/products/kaabo-wolf-king-gt-pro

Actually no, I like the look of this one, plus this one can be used in the rain and has a claimed 90 mile range:

https://www.dualtron-uk.com/products/dualtron-x-ii-electric-scooter
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 26 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You sound like someone who has issues. Here;s a picture of a scooter. Point at where the bad person hurt you.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41j1muS8rrL._AC_UL320_.jpg


If they're going to muck people around then I'll have a say about it anyway I like your new wheels you must feel fabulous on the way to the pub.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 26 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

They just don't seem like a good idea in highly crowded urban areas. There's a risk that the "trial" company might simply be seen as a means of rental income, for some cash-strapped councils. There have been a couple of deaths - I think they occurred because the rider was intoxicated, and the only victim was the rider. So far. However, there's a certain injustice about letting these things share the pavements with peds. Simple physics - dumb kid speeding along on an e-scooter smashes into old granny walking around the corner. Does he even stop? Don't think so. If he does, what are the consequences for him, the e-scooter company, the insurer, etc.? Inconsequential, right? Easily costed, easy to risk assess, news for 2 days in the local papers, then forgotten. And someone could be left with life-changing injuries, or having to make multiple hospital and consultant visits over the course of months. If you have a trial scooter scheme, it does tend to make illegal e-scooter use seen as a socially acceptable choice. I don't see what's wrong with bicycles. There is nothing an e-scooter can do that a pushbike can't, except for make you look like a twat.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 26 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
There is nothing an e-scooter can do that a pushbike can't, except for make you look like a twat.


You saved the best till last.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 27 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
There have been a couple of deaths - I think they occurred because the rider was intoxicated, and the only victim was the rider.


this may be of interest https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pensioner-dies-electric-scooter-teenager-b2101337.html
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 28 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a scooter hire system in Salford (for those unfamiliar with Manchester, that's effectively part of the city centre) and my observation is the hired scooters are ridden far more sensibly than the private ones, probably because private scooter owners have a lot more confidence while the hired ones shout at you not to ride on pavements etc..

Personally I can't stand the escooter fad. Manchester has just introduced a new cycle hire scheme which includes ebikes and that seems far more useful as they actually have decent brakes, the ability to go over potholes and carry luggage. Doesn't stop people riding them like idiots of course.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 28 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with pushbikes is only the minority of kids will excel at showing off with risky or antisocial stunts. Like skateboarding - natural barrier. So pushbikes limit risk better than escooters.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 28 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
Bhud wrote:
There have been a couple of deaths - I think they occurred because the rider was intoxicated, and the only victim was the rider.


this may be of interest https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pensioner-dies-electric-scooter-teenager-b2101337.html


It's not uncommon for people (including kids) to seriously injure other people (including themselves!) on these unlicensed, unregistered and uninsured vehicles. Hence I always say they should be licensed, registered and insured the same as scooters and motorcycles.

Girl who illegally rode one and smashed it into a car suffers serious injuries and hospitalised:

https://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/people/teenage-girl-sustains-serious-head-injuries-in-e-scooter-collision-in-milton-keynes-3765458

Man who illegally rode one and knocked over an old lady sending her to hospital for days:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-63040071

Might be rental, but probably an illegal one - teenager gives 3 year old girl life-altering injuries then fucks off:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/21/three-year-old-girl-left-with-life-changing-injuries-after-being-hit-by-e-scooter-in-london

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PostPosted: 16:12 - 28 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the legal one where you have meant to have a licence to hire I've seen 2 up kids riding them around. I presume the parents gave them their licence details!
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 28 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
There's a scooter hire system in Salford (for those unfamiliar with Manchester, that's effectively part of the city centre) and my observation is the hired scooters are ridden far more sensibly than the private ones, probably because private scooter owners have a lot more confidence while the hired ones shout at you not to ride on pavements etc..


That and the company that runs them know who was on it (at least the credit card that was used to pay for it), and they'll all be GPS tracked as well so the fuzz can narrow down which ones were in the area of an incident at a particular time. Privately owned ones are anyone's guess unless someone IDs the rider.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
That and the company that runs them know who was on it (at least the credit card that was used to pay for it), and they'll all be GPS tracked as well so the fuzz can narrow down which ones were in the area of an incident at a particular time. Privately owned ones are anyone's guess unless someone IDs the rider.


True.
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