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PostPosted: 14:59 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Road tax for electric vehicles. Reply with quote

Amongst other things in Mr. Hunts budget, electric vehicles will have to pay VED from April 2025. I presume this will include electric motorbikes although there are so few it's not going to plug many holes in the national budget.

So this will end the tenuous (bullshit) link between emissions and VED and obviously it means everyone will pay more. Another nail in the coffin of motorised personal transport maybe?

It was always going to happen. The government caln't afford to lose the huge financial pie that comes from fuel taxes. The only question now is what and when they are going to introduce some form of taxation on home charging or mileage use.

There's only two constants in the world, death and taxes. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 16:11 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be 2 taxes relating to motor vehicles.

1. Fuel duty - This accounts for gas guzzlers/emissions etc.

2. Vehicle weight - This accounts for oversized vehicles that do actual damage to the roads and cause the most particulate pollution with tyre and brake dust particles.

I am yet to hear a logical opposition to these points.

EV owners won't be hit by the first one but they will (rightly so) need to pay the second.

It will encourage people to purchase and use smaller more efficient transport.

Lorries will need to pay more to repair the roads they destroy.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its no coincidence that a vehicles excise duty is calculated on what they can charge for the most dependent on
class of vehicle. My car, it's emissions, my bikes, it's CC, My van it's a flat rate, wouldn't matter if I had a 3.0
Sprinter LWB or the 1.8 Transit connect I actually have. With lorries it's axle weight, with buses, it's number of seats.

This has FVCK all to do with emissions.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/907390/v149x1-rates-of-vehicle-tax.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062988/v149-rates-of-vehicle-tax-from-1-april-2022-for-cars-motorcycles-light-goods-vehicles-and-private-light-goods-vehicles.pdf
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The future is to go backwards, and buy vehicles that are classed as 'historic'.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
The future is to go backwards, and buy vehicles that are classed as 'historic'.


Old Landrovers are already silly money Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
There should be 2 taxes relating to motor vehicles.

1. Fuel duty - This accounts for gas guzzlers/emissions etc.

2. Vehicle weight - This accounts for oversized vehicles that do actual damage to the roads and cause the most particulate pollution with tyre and brake dust particles.

I am yet to hear a logical opposition to these points.

EV owners won't be hit by the first one but they will (rightly so) need to pay the second.

It will encourage people to purchase and use smaller more efficient transport.

Lorries will need to pay more to repair the roads they destroy.


Spookily enough, it's not specifically the weight of a vehicle that injures the road.
It's the number of axles/wheels.
Single axles hit a bump, lift and then drop with their effective weight increase due to accelerated force of gravity.
Put another axle behind the first and the effect is exponentially increased.

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PostPosted: 18:14 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

No mention of back-dating any of this stuff i.e. does one still get the VED rate at time of purchase? Don't seem to have a reason to junk my old zero road tax diesel Skoda Thinking
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should put the road tax on tyres.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They should put the road tax on tyres.


People will put smaller tyres on their cars...
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

More likely they will put on harder wearing tyre which last longer with the commensurate reduction in grip reducing road safety.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
More likely they will put on harder wearing tyre which last longer with the commensurate reduction in grip reducing road safety.


You've got to do something stupid to slide a modern car with ABS, traction control and even cheap tyres nowadays. I can't see that making much difference.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 17 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

12p/litre on fuel from March, he didn't mention that while speaking it must have slipped his mind
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 18 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
More likely they will put on harder wearing tyre which last longer with the commensurate reduction in grip reducing road safety.


You've got to do something stupid to slide a modern car with ABS, traction control and even cheap tyres nowadays. I can't see that making much difference.


ABS doesn't magically increase grip, it reduces braking effort to prevent slides. End result, it takes longer to stop with a less grippy tyre. Thus still reduces road safety.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 18 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's only two constants in the world, death and taxes.


I disagree. There's also Paddy McGuinness.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 18 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
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There's only two constants in the world, death and taxes.


I disagree. There's also Paddy McGuinness.


I feel like killing myself when I watch him in anything though...
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