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PostPosted: 23:46 - 23 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd imagine Oberste Führer Sturgeon would like to hold as many unauthorised unilateral referenda as needed to get the "correct" answer and then dare the English to send in the Redcoats.

Rishi Sunak, Hammer of the Scots? Unlikely.


I doubt Rishi Rich will be bothered, more like he'll be clapping his mates in the city of London on the back as they que up to lend money to New Scotland on very (to them) favourable rates.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news yet on what Scotland would do with independence? It'd be an easier sell if say all the UK countries were independent for all but the King and defence. One might eye our friends across the pond with disgust but their federal state system seems to work.
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any news yet on what Scotland would do with independence? It'd be an easier sell if say all the UK countries were independent for all but the King and defence. One might eye our friends across the pond with disgust but their federal state system seems to work.


That wouldn't satisfy the SNP as they want to join the EU.

something that's come up is the SNP has invented a new phrase to try and cast Scotland as some kind of victim state, "involuntary nationhood". I bet they were partying when some little party twonk came up with that one.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any news yet on what Scotland would do with independence? It'd be an easier sell if say all the UK countries were independent for all but the King and defence. One might eye our friends across the pond with disgust but their federal state system seems to work.


There is prescedent for that. The union of the crowns happened more than 100 years before the union of parliaments.

Also technically, England fell under the rule of the James VI of Scotland when Elizabeth I died. He then became James I of England. This was however by dint of many years of political machinations and assasination of the Scottish succession.

I think what the SNP do and do not want from an independant Scotland is by and large irrelevant. I don't believe the SNP would be left in charge of an independant Scotland in anything more than a caretake role until a general election could be held.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't believe the SNP would be left in charge of an independant Scotland in anything more than a caretake role until a general election could be held.


The top nobs in the SNP dont care, they'll be cashing in with the book deals, lecture tours and a nice fat (UK) parliamentary pension. Twats.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
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I don't believe the SNP would be left in charge of an independant Scotland in anything more than a caretake role until a general election could be held.


The top nobs in the SNP dont care, they'll be cashing in with the book deals, lecture tours and a nice fat (UK) parliamentary pension. Twats.


As long as they ultimately achieve independence, who cares?
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as they ultimately achieve independence, who cares?


While that sounds admirable what are you going to do with it? With Brexit a lot of people thought we might get less immigration and how did that pan out?
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as they ultimately achieve independence, who cares?


While that sounds admirable what are you going to do with it?

Hand it straight to the EU of course.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As long as they ultimately achieve independence, who cares?


While that sounds admirable what are you going to do with it? With Brexit a lot of people thought we might get less immigration and how did that pan out?


We'll do just fine thanks Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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While that sounds admirable what are you going to do with it? With Brexit a lot of people thought we might get less immigration and how did that pan out?


We'll do just fine thanks Thumbs Up


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I'll tell you how the Scots will be if they get independence. At first, they will be coming to the UK and begging, "just until we get on our feet." Which they never will of course. And all the while, they will be looking across the border at England, and every time they do something better than the English, they will wet their pants, and every time they do something worse than the English, they will wet their pants. They will remain forever obsessed with the English.
Meanwhile, the world will move on, and it'll all be irrelevant, just as Brexit has become irrelevant.
The Scottish independence mentality is nothing more than a football supporter's mentality.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll tell you how the Scots will be if they get independence. At first, they will be coming to the UK and begging, "just until we get on our feet." Which they never will of course. And all the while, they will be looking across the border at England, and every time they do something better than the English, they will wet their pants, and every time they do something worse than the English, they will wet their pants. They will remain forever obsessed with the English.
Meanwhile, the world will move on, and it'll all be irrelevant, just as Brexit has become irrelevant.
The Scottish independence mentality is nothing more than a football supporter's mentality.


Oh I think we'll do better than that. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
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I'll tell you how the Scots will be if they get independence. At first, they will be coming to the UK and begging, "just until we get on our feet." Which they never will of course. And all the while, they will be looking across the border at England, and every time they do something better than the English, they will wet their pants, and every time they do something worse than the English, they will wet their pants. They will remain forever obsessed with the English.
Meanwhile, the world will move on, and it'll all be irrelevant, just as Brexit has become irrelevant.
The Scottish independence mentality is nothing more than a football supporter's mentality.


Oh I think we'll do better than that. Laughing


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PostPosted: 14:25 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Meanwhile, the world will move on, and it'll all be irrelevant, just as Brexit has become irrelevant.


That bit I agree with. Post economic and social apocalypse, all talk of brexit, devolution etc will be irrelevant. We will be too busy defending our food and fresh water sources... Happy days. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh I think we'll do better than that. Laughing


You're not one of them. You will always be tainted in their eyes because you're English.


There are a few like that but they're really in a small minority. I've never had any issues here at all. I don't think your view of Scottish folk is based on reality. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We'll do just fine thanks Thumbs Up


You don't know or you don't care? Serious question.

For example, the propaganda from the SNP:

https://www.gov.scot/publications/building-new-scotland-stronger-economy-independence-summary/

tl;dr lots of potential income, hinging on re-entering the EU (which is an explicit aim.) Offshore wind energy, salmon, whisky, service industries but pointedly not North Sea oil & gas or defence contracts, arms manufacture.

Will it all add up? "Nah, it'll be fine" is not an answer.

Will the EU want Scotland? And how long would it take to get in if they said yes? Spain is going to be livid down to Catalonia for a start. Is there an ensured income from energy? The customers are England & Wales, Ireland and Norway. Yes the UK sells a little to those already but there are also the Interconnects to France and Holland that Scotland would not have access to.

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PostPosted: 14:48 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Islander wrote:
We'll do just fine thanks Thumbs Up


You don't know or you don't care? Serious question.

For example, the propaganda from the SNP:

https://www.gov.scot/publications/building-new-scotland-stronger-economy-independence-summary/

tl;dr lots of potential income, hinging on re-entering the EU (which is an explicit aim.) Offshore wind energy, salmon, whisky, service industries but pointedly not North Sea oil & gas or defence contracts, arms manufacture.

Will it all add up? "Nah, it'll be fine" is not an answer.

Will the EU want Scotland? And how long would it take to get in if they said yes? Spain is going to be livid down to Catalonia for a start. Is there an ensured income from energy? The customers are England & Wales, Ireland and Norway. Yes the UK sells a little to those already but there are also the Interconnects to France and Holland that Scotland would not have access to.

Fish, Whisky and gaming. Is it enough?


I'd recommend you take a look at our renewable resources. Wind, wave, tidal and solar. There are other resources as well of course.
Why do you think the UK government is so keen to keep us in thrall?
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Islander, you live on a remote island in a small community, which undoubtedly has its own identity. Where is the core of the independence movement based? What do you think they care of you? You have nothing in common with the CORE of the independence movement, and it is they who will hold sway in an independant Scotland. You support the independence movement purely because you think it will make you more accepted among the Scots, as you would support the Union if you thought the majority of Scots did. Folks like you, and like stinkwheel, and probably any Scots who still use this forum are not representative of this independence movement.

The problem you will have when you realise this, is that the movement, and its SNP leadership in particular, have by now probably done irreparable damage to your welcome within the Union, certainly here in England (which you think you don't care about - and that may be true, for now).
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd recommend you take a look at our renewable resources. Wind, wave, tidal and solar. There are other resources as well of course.
Why do you think the UK government is so keen to keep us in thrall?


There it is. Unicorns and rainbows, just as I said.
Do you think a Labour government will be so set against your independence? Do you believe their words? They are swept along with the prevailing wind (as they perceive it, at least).

The whole of the UK needs reform and a new look at the way we govern ourselves. Scotland is not alone in this view. Our main political parties are not representative of the majority of folk in these islands anymore.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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I'd recommend you take a look at our renewable resources. Wind, wave, tidal and solar. There are other resources as well of course.
Why do you think the UK government is so keen to keep us in thrall?


There it is. Unicorns and rainbows, just as I said.
Do you think a Labour government will be so set against your independence? Do you believe their words? They are swept along with the prevailing wind (as they perceive it, at least).

The whole of the UK needs reform and a new look at the way we govern ourselves. Scotland is not alone in this view. Our main political parties are not representative of the majority of folk in these islands anymore.


I'd prefer we governed ourselves.

The thing is, if we're such a burden why are the UK government so set against another independence referendum? Why aren't they holding their own? What could they want from us? Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Islander, you live on a remote island in a small community, which undoubtedly has its own identity. Where is the core of the independence movement based? What do you think they care of you? You have nothing in common with the CORE of the independence movement, and it is they who will hold sway in an independant Scotland. You support the independence movement purely because you think it will make you more accepted among the Scots, as you would support the Union if you thought the majority of Scots did. Folks like you, and like stinkwheel, and probably any Scots who still use this forum are not representative of this independence movement.

The problem you will have when you realise this, is that the movement, and its SNP leadership in particular, have by now probably done irreparable damage to your welcome within the Union, certainly here in England (which you think you don't care about - and that may be true, for now).


Do you think I never talk to people from the mainland? There's a groundswell for independence much stronger than the last one. The problem with the last referendum was that nobody trusted Salmond - and quite rightly so. Sturgeon is a different proposition.

If it's a welcome and a union of partners, rather than political shackles then set us free - we may even have a welcome for you lot. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing is, if we're such a burden why are the UK government so set against another independence referendum? Why aren't they holding their own? What could they want from us? Laughing


Wtf are you asking me for?! Laughing
Didn't I just say they don't represent the majority of folk in this country anymore? Rolling Eyes
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Do you think I never talk to people from the mainland? There's a groundswell for independence much stronger than the last one. The problem with the last referendum was that nobody trusted Salmond - and quite rightly so. Sturgeon is a different proposition.

If it's a welcome and a union of partners, rather than political shackles then set us free - we may even have a welcome for you lot. Laughing


Everyone in the UK wants free from Westminster, you dork Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 24 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh I think we'll do better than that. Laughing


you will suffer another Darien scheme ..

and we as the last outpost of civilization south of the border will reap the benefits .. hurry up and fcuk off will you there's a good chap .. sick of listening to yous..
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What is the oppression that Scotland is under? 25% more money is spent on Scottish vs. English citizens. If anything it's Scottish gibs oppressing the English - more is thy due than more than all can pay Sad
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