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PostPosted: 23:27 - 27 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:12 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be honest, independence for Scotland and the removal from Westminster's sphere of influence can't come soon enough.


I agree. Time for Scotland to go.
Complete independence, mind. That includes economic independence. No more Scottish taxes going to UK central government, and no more money going in the other direction either. I'm sure Scotland will be financially much better off that way.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree. Time for Scotland to go.
Complete independence, mind. That includes economic independence. No more Scottish taxes going to UK central government, and no more money going in the other direction either. I'm sure Scotland will be financially much better off that way.


Obsessed with money. Rolling Eyes

When I left my last job, the boss took me to one side and asked me if I was getting a big pay rise (presumably as a prelude to a bidding war). It rather took the wind out of her sails when I said I was taking a 10% pay cut and slightly longer hours.

I'm much better off in my new job.
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:

I agree. Time for Scotland to go.
Complete independence, mind. That includes economic independence. No more Scottish taxes going to UK central government, and no more money going in the other direction either. I'm sure Scotland will be financially much better off that way.


Obsessed with money. Rolling Eyes

When I left my last job, the boss took me to one side and asked me if I was getting a big pay rise (presumably as a prelude to a bidding war). It rather took the wind out of her sails when I said I was taking a 10% pay cut and slightly longer hours.

I'm much better off in my new job.


You use that as an analogy for a whole nation? Nice one! Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
I'm a tad more optimistic than that.


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PostPosted: 13:15 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The US has always been afflicted by that mantra. Remember when democracy came about in the Lebanon with open elections? The US were over the moon about it. Then they voted for Hezbollah and the cries of "no no no no no no not THAT sort of democracy" were deafening. Laughing

To be honest, independence for Scotland and the removal from Westminster's sphere of influence can't come soon enough.


And would an independent Scotland be independent of The City of London? I suspect not.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And would an independent Scotland be independent of The City of London? I suspect not.


You're always in hock to someone I suppose but now I have a mental image of Klaus Schwab licking his lips: "Zo... zey zink zey vill gain independence. Ve vill create zat illusion for zem." [cue arching of fingers, maniacal laugh]

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PostPosted: 14:24 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The US has always been afflicted by that mantra. Remember when democracy came about in the Lebanon with open elections? The US were over the moon about it. Then they voted for Hezbollah and the cries of "no no no no no no not THAT sort of democracy" were deafening. Laughing

To be honest, independence for Scotland and the removal from Westminster's sphere of influence can't come soon enough.


And would an independent Scotland be independent of The City of London? I suspect not.


No country is independent of global economics. Scotland will be fine on its own.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
And would an independent Scotland be independent of The City of London? I suspect not.


You're always in hock to someone I suppose but now I have a mental image of Klaus Schwab licking his lips: "Zo... zey zink zey vill gain independence. Ve vill create zat illusion for zem." [cue arching of fingers, maniacal laugh]

Mines the hat with the tin foil lining Laughing


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PostPosted: 14:50 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:


No country is independent of global economics.


Sadly true.

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Scotland will be fine on its own.


And you are, of course, the most qualified person to make that judgement Laughing

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. It certainly won't be with the SNP at the helm. Who's ready to oust them, and what are their plans? And please, quit with the renewables pie-in-the-sky fairy tales. If that's what you're going to be reliant on (especially short to mid term), ye're doomed! Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe it will, maybe it won't. It certainly won't be with the SNP at the helm. Who's ready to oust them, and what are their plans? And please, quit with the renewables pie-in-the-sky fairy tales. If that's what you're going to be reliant on (especially short to mid term), ye're doomed! Laughing


Out of interest, what exactly does England rely on for economic growth and prosperity?
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yours is the full body metal mesh suit with additional earthing straps Razz


Conductive rubber soles, much more convenient Smile
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Out of interest, what exactly does England rely on for economic growth and prosperity?


Russian oligarch money Wink

Seriously though I think it's 80% service industries. I assume that's a nebulous term for everything not involving manual labour.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Out of interest, what exactly does England rely on for economic growth and prosperity?


Getting rid of Scotland Razz
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose when it comes right down to it the most cogent argument against independence is... it'll be a lot of hassle, for both countries. Look at all the trouble with the Irish border. Now multiple that by 10 along Hadrian's Wall.

And how about UK-wide infrastructure that Scotland takes for granted at the moment but would need to be duplicated? "Oh but there will be savings too!" No, never gonna happen. Not even a bloody revolution could manage to shrink bureaucracy; expands it if anything.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I suppose when it comes right down to it the most cogent argument against independence is... it'll be a lot of hassle, for both countries. Look at all the trouble with the Irish border. Now multiple that by 10 along Hadrian's Wall.


Most of the rest of the world has land borders with other countries.

Ireland/Northern Ireland is a special case of excessive levels of intolerance and childishness.
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No country is independent of global economics. Scotland will be fine on its own.


My point is where is it going to borrow the enormous amounts of money from.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 28 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason that Scotland is still in the union is the same reason why you don't lose your rag at your toddler step-child.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
The only reason that Scotland is still in the union is the same reason why you don't lose your rag at your toddler step-child.


Really?

You have to ask yourself why the UK government is so reluctant to let such a massive drain on their resources go. I mean, look at the money they'd apparently save if Scotland got independence. It'd take a bit of time to disentangle everything but that's how these things go. Worth it though, because then they'd have all that money to spend on themselves. Or would they... Laughing

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Oh and they'd be rid of 59 parliamentary seats - mostly left of centre or centre and very often a thorn in their side. Gosh why do they insist on keeping us on. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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I suppose when it comes right down to it the most cogent argument against independence is... it'll be a lot of hassle, for both countries. Look at all the trouble with the Irish border. Now multiple that by 10 along Hadrian's Wall.


Most of the rest of the world has land borders with other countries.

Ireland/Northern Ireland is a special case of excessive levels of intolerance and childishness.


It would be a simple border if everything is harmonised . . . but it's clear there would be an effort for Scotland to rejoin the EU, if they succeeded (big if) we'd have a similar situation to Northern Ireland / ROI.

Honestly I think independence is madness. England is *probably* better off (very simplistically in terms of finances) without Scotland (or Wales) but in reality, while there may be less of a direct economic drain, I think there'd be a significant beurocratic drain on all parties involved . . . that really would be counter-productive.

Unless I massively misunderstand the reasons for the desire for independence, it essentially revolves around Westminster making too many unilateral decisions which affect Scotland. I suspect this is connected to the Tory party prevalence . . . given the turbulence in politics and the narrow margin (apparently) that independence is wanted, I suspect a change of government at the next GE would potentially recalibrate that independence desire anyway?
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottish independence is a very messy way of getting rid of the Tories

SNP probably know the tories time is up and the want to leave the union under a Labour government isn't a goer
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SNP probably know the tories time is up and the want to leave the union under a Labour government isn't a goer


Indeed, then we're into where the SNP's heart really is; perhaps less democracy and more meeting their own ultimate goal of independence (which happens to currently align more than it has done in the recent past), irrespective of what the populace actually want . . . to put it another way, I suspect the majority of those who currently want independence (but are not SNP members) probably would seek an arrangement where Scotland has a bit more control over how it operates but still retain the union. It's not really in the interests of (most) Joe Scottish Public for Scotland and England to be totally independent countries. Three options on the ballot; Yes, No, Give Scotland more control but remain in the UK . . . no prizes for which option would get the least votes.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now the Oil job is getting wound down, financial independence is through the window

Then this bizarre idea of out of the Uk union but back in the EU is bollocks aswell, thats more of a stick to beat the tories with.

They would be better off in EFTA

It's all like Brexit, unless its a clean cut, the supporters will find a way to say they're still getting controlled by somewhere when the shit hits the fan rather than their own incompetence

Devolution was created so these people would moan at the devolved administrations, but the people that run these things want their cake and eat it, make an arse of the job and still blame Westminster , frankly would of been better not bothering but the genie aint going back in the bottle now
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
SNP probably know the tories time is up and the want to leave the union under a Labour government isn't a goer


Indeed, then we're into where the SNP's heart really is; perhaps less democracy and more meeting their own ultimate goal of independence (which happens to currently align more than it has done in the recent past), irrespective of what the populace actually want . . . to put it another way, I suspect the majority of those who currently want independence (but are not SNP members) probably would seek an arrangement where Scotland has a bit more control over how it operates but still retain the union. It's not really in the interests of (most) Joe Scottish Public for Scotland and England to be totally independent countries. Three options on the ballot; Yes, No, Give Scotland more control but remain in the UK . . . no prizes for which option would get the least votes.


The Scottish Government was given additional powers under Blair. It was called Devolution Plus. So no, that's really not the answer.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Englishman, Irishman, Welshman and Scotsman drinking in a pub. "More beer please, barman!"

Barman serves them half-pints and charges twice the price Shocked

"Fuck this," says the Scotsman "I'm off."

"Can we come?" ask the others.

"No."


Maybe the disloyalty is what sticks in people's throat Thinking Westminster tyrannises all of the UK not just Scotland.
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