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TravisBickle
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 24 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

New year has come and gone and still not bothered to submit a claim.

Just not had the time or inclination.

So I threw in the towel and emailed the trader saying exactly that - shall I pick it up or do you want to make me an offer?

The said come and get it.

Gave me two bags of parts from the bike and the cylinder head has been disassembled. Hole in the piston.

Had my eye on a complete engine listed on Ebay in Devon and had agreed a price with the seller (listed for £1,200 + £40 postage - agreed on £1,000 cash on collection). Was going to tie it in with visiting my daughter in Devon a couple of weeks from making the deal so I offered a deposit but was told not necessary.

Now I find out the blighter has already gone and sold the engine to someone else now!!!

I'm furious!

My brother-in-law had promised to help swap the engines with me but there are no other complete engines listed anywhere that I can find, repairing the existing engine is above my brother-in-law and I's paygrade, and my mechanic is unwilling to take on the project of repairing the engine and said an engine swap would be far better if I can find one... which I can't!

Any suggestions?

Had a brief look for a written off one but nothing around.

From what I can tell these start at £4k upwards these days, even from private sellers, so I don't mind spending a grand, maybe two grand at a push, on the bike if I can get it running good enough to sell. In fact my brother-in-law said he might be interested in buying it off me as it's exactly what he's looking for himself.

Complete engines for these seem to be like hens teeth so not really willing to sit on it in the hope another complete engine will come along and announce its presence to me. Just kinda want the project done and dusted so I can put it behind me.

So where do I go from here?

These are pretty basic engines, right? Surely the parts are readily available? Anyone recommend someone in Kent who'd take this on for me as a re-build project?

https://i.ibb.co/92ZXzHX/20230111-170632.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ct1P1zy/20230111-170647.jpg
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Robby
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 24 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does the underside of the cylinder head look like?
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TravisBickle
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 24 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
What does the underside of the cylinder head look like?


https://i.ibb.co/FYTQfGF/20230124-224706.jpg
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PostPosted: 01:39 - 25 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you put a new engine in, it's going to happen again unless you sort out the fuelling issue causing the hole.
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PostPosted: 07:09 - 25 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

TravisBickle wrote:


These are pretty basic engines, right? Surely the parts are readily available? Anyone recommend someone in Kent who'd take this on for me as a re-build project?

https://i.ibb.co/92ZXzHX/20230111-170632.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ct1P1zy/20230111-170647.jpg


I am coming to this late. It looks like the engine has dropped a valve. I had a DRZ400 many years ago and they were regarded then as a very reliable engine. However you did need to check the valve clearances as one valve in particular would go out of spec quite quickly. I think it was one of the intakes and the clearance would close up. My bike was babied really but even it displayed this symptom. Not saying this is the definitely the problem you had.

It doesn't help you but the engines are fine if you look after them. You need to find another though. That one is not repairable. I used to own VF500s and these did the same although there was less of a pattern of behaviour and it was nearly always exhaust valves that let go.

The information about the DRZ valve issue I found on Thumpertalk, but it was about 20 years ago.
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Robby
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 25 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's dropped a valve too, looking at the cylinder head damage and the broken valve guide.

A rebuild on this is not a straightforward top end job. The bottom end needs to come apart to get all of the bits of metal out of it. I would want to check the crank bearings and the oil pump for wear. The cylinder head may be something a machine shop/old school engineering shop could sort out, but it may need to be replaced.

It's certainly something where I would be looking for an engine to get it back on the road with the least fuss and cost.
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Ayrton
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 25 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CCM 404 uses a DRZ engine from what I understand, maybe have a look for one of those.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394388836328?hash=item5bd3680fe8:g:MvgAAOSwIKNjovsk&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4KzJodWxirwjXGGXSs4GHDEM3fyGKXRD6P7tTW1csDIHyVqL3wTpzCSbAWIH6bb1sqNJ21ooh17hRuU5UCwRazFeQhcMWLpZ9irUppPBKwSqC1Qk%2F7%2FqEQkWaZScWDdllBA5feKC2t5t3pAlVHTWQ10TqJ9PAOEphmkRGi81W5jtZtnIwY29Pspu021u2XujVNWoL5D8JkMuqrdOq4%2B94uj9XZMaVOcVt2Jlf2hCOuiGp6TKshW7HfL6g%2BZEbGLgfBhKr2aN0IP2%2FdW01aOeBqnLH%2BFvx%2ByTOsPaMtvu7vWb%7Ctkp%3ABFBM9PDQg71h
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 25 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys. I, too, was very much of the opinion that an engine swap would be a far better solution than breaking the engine apart and rebuilding it from the bottom-up. However if that's the only way I can get it running...

They do complete rebuild kids for these, don't they? Seem some stuff listed on ebay in the region of £500.



Ayrton wrote:


Genius. Fiendish!

I'll look into this right away. Certainly states the same cc on my logbook and it very much looks the same!
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TravisBickle
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 25 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

TravisBickle wrote:
Had my eye on a complete engine listed on Ebay in Devon and had agreed a price with the seller (listed for £1,200 + £40 postage - agreed on £1,000 cash on collection). Was going to tie it in with visiting my daughter in Devon a couple of weeks from making the deal so I offered a deposit but was told not necessary.

Now I find out the blighter has already gone and sold the engine to someone else now!!!

I'm furious!

My brother-in-law had promised to help swap the engines with me but there are no other complete engines listed anywhere that I can find, repairing the existing engine is above my brother-in-law and I's paygrade, and my mechanic is unwilling to take on the project of repairing the engine and said an engine swap would be far better if I can find one... which I can't!

Any suggestions?

Had a brief look for a written off one but nothing around.

From what I can tell these start at £4k upwards these days, even from private sellers, so I don't mind spending a grand, maybe two grand at a push, on the bike if I can get it running good enough to sell. In fact my brother-in-law said he might be interested in buying it off me as it's exactly what he's looking for himself.

Complete engines for these seem to be like hens teeth so not really willing to sit on it in the hope another complete engine will come along and announce its presence to me. Just kinda want the project done and dusted so I can put it behind me.

So where do I go from here?

These are pretty basic engines, right? Surely the parts are readily available? Anyone recommend someone in Kent who'd take this on for me as a re-build project?


The person selling the engine has offered to pay me £80 compensation for the cock up Surprised Surprised Surprised
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rpsmith79
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PostPosted: 07:08 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

TravisBickle wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys. I, too, was very much of the opinion that an engine swap would be a far better solution than breaking the engine apart and rebuilding it from the bottom-up. However if that's the only way I can get it running...

They do complete rebuild kids for these, don't they? Seem some stuff listed on ebay in the region of £500.



Unlikely you will get a complete cylinder head as part of that kit though, not for £500 you won't anyway

Usually rebuild kits are the cylinder, piston & gaskets
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will cost an absolute fortune to rebuild the engine you have. When you add up the time, the parts, working out what needs to be replaced etc it just wont make any kind of financial sense. The cylinder head and piston are toast for a start. There's no way you can reuse that cylinder head. It will cost thousands to refurb/rebuild the engine. It will make that CCM engine linked above seem like a bargain.

You just have to be patient and wait for the engines to turn up on Ebay.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's one of those situations where I'm slightly conflicted.

If it was mine I would rebuild it, but I like doing that sort of thing. I would probably end up spending between £500-£1000 in parts and services.

If I just wanted it back on the road I would buy an engine and sell that one for parts. Possibly dismantle it and sell the parts individually.
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TravisBickle
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered that CCM engine.

A bit more than I wanted to pay.

Well what I wanted to pay was absolutely nothing, so that's pretty much obvious!

Shall I say it was more than I was expecting/hoping for.

Listed for £1,490

I offered £1,000

They countered with £1,350

I countered with £1,200

They countered with £1,350

I countered with £1,300

They countered with £1,350

They drive a hard bargain, clearly, LOL. Weren't going to let that go for any less than £1,350

I've just paid for it, should get it next week.

So props to Ayrton for bringing that to my attention!

My brother-in-law told me not get my bike mechanic to do the engine swap and said he'd do it for me instead. He's insisting it won't take more than a couple of hours on my driveway if I lend a hand. Even if we double that figure, or account for a whole Sunday on the job, is that realistic do you think? Obviously I don't expect anyone in here to instinctively know my brother-in-law's mechanical prowess, but he's rebuilt and restored smaller two-stroke bikes from the ground-up before now. Is this a dead simple job that can be done by a back garden DIY intermediate? Or do you think I'd be better off letting my mechanic do it? I'm just worried if we run in to trouble with broken studs etc. at least my mechanic has all the tools and space to work on it, hoists, lifts and workbench space etc. Would be very embarrassing to attempt the job ourselves and then go back to my mechanic with my tail between my legs asking him to fix a half-arsed attempt.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. Hope it's a good un.

Check the valve clearances before you fit it.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would expect it to fit and be OK, but presumably it's Angie and no carb etc, you'll probably need it properly set up.
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TravisBickle
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 26 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

P. wrote:
I would expect it to fit and be OK, but presumably it's Angie and no carb etc, you'll probably need it properly set up.


Angie?
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