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PostPosted: 20:39 - 30 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unsure if gear grind or just vent, but my cats been on the same food for over a year.

2 weeks ago he refused to eat or poo, vet trip suggested he was backed up and just solid brick of shit in him. Multiple enemas, lactulose 3x a day and keep him on cat milk, really wet food and the like.

Changed his diet at recommendations of vets.

2 weeks later he's refusing to eat again and he's back in today.

Now they want to x-ray him, again, at my cost obviously which I don't care, blank cheque that shit, but it's the 2nd trip, one was emergency out of hours as he was vomiting brown mess. So the cost is just flying up and it's the same stuff over and over. Perhaps Stinkwheel can weigh in, but they know he was clogged up, vet has had his digit up the bum of the cat to help break it up, but he's still struggling.

It's just the same stuff. If it was a car or bike, you wouldn't be taking it back to the garage for the same blown bulb, you'd expect the problem to be identified.

More concerned that he might need surgery and won't have a fun time at all...
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 30 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diagnostics can be expensive and invasive, they mount up quick.

If I see a constipated cat, I'd usually get them cleared out first then see what they do because they do seem to do that periodically and most of them are ok once they're emptied out again.

We see a lot of older cats with constipation in bad weather. My theory is they just sit inside on a radiator refusing to go out for a poo and cook themselves a massive loaf.

If they do it again, you need to start a workup to find out why. Sometimes they're constipated because they've been constipated and their gut's been damaged/stretched. Diagnostics can include a general blood screen to see if there's something causing them to be dehydrated, specific blood tests to look at B vitamin absorbtion in the gut, x-ray and/or ultrasound to see if there's a blockage/stricture or a megacolon. This may include a barium study to highlight the gut lining and look at motility.

Moving up it can include colonoscopy to look for issues, possibly with pinch biopsies or actual abdominal surgery to inspect the gut and collect full thickness biopsies.

Depending on what is found, it might be fixable, might be manageable with diet/drugs or it might be that there is a problem that can't be fixed. Ultimate thing can be surgery to remove damaged bits of gut.

They sometimes land up with something called a megacolon where the colon just stops moving and turns into a big distended sack. I've had two cats which I did a radical surgery called a subtotal colectomy on to deal with this. Effectively remove the entire colon. As you'd expect, this is risky. Both the ones I did it on did very well and landed up fecally continant and maintaining their hydration after 2 months.

You probably wouldn't dive in with all those tests all at once because you'd be looking at a four figure bill right off the bat. You rule things out a bit at a time. You pick your approach based on likleyhood of getting a diagnosis, clinical picture, owners wishes/ability to pay and invasiveness of tests. Like I had a dog in today with chronic gut problems. I garauntee an exploratory surgery with biopsies would give me the answer but that seems an over-reaction. Today we did some basic in-house bloods which ruled out a couple of things. We're sending off some more specific tests and checking a poo sample for infectious agents. If that draws a blank, we'll send off a more expensive poo test to rule out a specific organism and do a diet trial to see if it has a food sensetivity. If that draws a blank THEN we'll move up to more invasive surgical tests.

To further your garage analogy. If you took your car in with a blocked fuel filter, they'd probably just change the filter. If it did it again in a short time, you'd start looking into why. You wouldn't go changing out the petrol tank, ripping out the fuel lines or pulling the fuel pump at first presentation.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 30 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there was me pissed off 15 years ago because I had to have the axolotl operated on because it ate the substrate in the tank and wasn't passing it.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 30 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
We see a lot of older cats with constipation in bad weather. My theory is they just sit inside on a radiator refusing to go out for a poo and cook themselves a massive loaf.


What a lovely turn of phrase Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 30 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

P. wrote:
I got caught speeding the other week.

58 in a 50.

Didn't see the signs.

Did the course.

Gears ground because it was 9am on an empty motorway and the course was Saturday 9-11.30.

Mr. Green


That's Harch....

I'm not making this bit up.

I have done the Agmentation Course three times. (Obviously is didnt take the first two courses.)

The policeman who did a bit of a talk said they normally allow a margin over the posted limit.

Limit plus 10% plus 1 mile per hour.

Legal reason is so over that margin it is extremely difficult to challenge it.

Other reason is a bit of leeway to cover speedometer inaccuracies.

He did add, manufactures will err on a speedometer over-reading true speed to keep them out of court.
Waste of time for a solicitor to challenge using OEM calibration error as a means of defence.

Our Illustrious (lacklustre) Scottish 'fake' Government are sticking to their guns and demanding Zero Tolerance for speeding.
I don't know if Po-Po Scotland are in the same camp as Gestapo HQ.
Zero Tolerance leaves a legal precedent for speeding charges to be vigorously challenged in court.

Right now, if they book a driver using the above 'guidelines', conviction is merely a matter of postage.

There's also a more worrying charge related to speed and that's dangerous driving.
Even driving within the posted limit, if your seen driving like a penis that may be enough for a dangerous driving tug.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame universal suffrage. If idiots are allowed to vote, idiots will be elected.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


There's also a more worrying charge related to speed and that's dangerous driving.
Even driving within the posted limit, if your seen driving like a penis that may be enough for a dangerous driving tug.


You could be done for dangerous driving while stationary. For example if you decided to stop for a piss in lane 3 of a bust motorway.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy who killed my brother was done for death by dangerous driving even though he had decamped from the car before it hit my brother.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Vet stuff


Thanks mate, don't get me wrong I know costs mount up and there is not a price I would not pay, just seems like the first time it was a finger up the bum, dislodge some and enema by me at home with lactulose (2.5ml every 8 hours for 3 days) and see how he goes.

Now its give him this see how he goes, he passed some poop last night but I've seen his poo for 12 years, I know his poo and that isn't the usual size, colour, the lot looks completely wrong (and its not my other cats, they are upstairs and hes downstairs while we sort shit) so is a worry..

He feels almost like a brick in his tummy, he doesn't go outside, he sits on me/on the bed most days.

He is going back there today so hopefully... my wallet takes a pounding rather than his arse because he very much disliked that.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

P. wrote:

Thanks mate, don't get me wrong I know costs mount up and there is not a price I would not pay, just seems like the first time it was a finger up the bum, dislodge some and enema by me at home with lactulose (2.5ml every 8 hours for 3 days) and see how he goes.

Now its give him this see how he goes, he passed some poop last night but I've seen his poo for 12 years, I know his poo and that isn't the usual size, colour, the lot looks completely wrong (and its not my other cats, they are upstairs and hes downstairs while we sort shit) so is a worry..

He feels almost like a brick in his tummy, he doesn't go outside, he sits on me/on the bed most days.

He is going back there today so hopefully... my wallet takes a pounding rather than his arse because he very much disliked that.


Did he stop smoking recently? Are we in punched lasagne territory here? Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old fella had a hospital appointment today and, being the dutiful son-in-law, I offered to give him a lift. Parking's a fucking nightmare so a quick drop-off saves a lot of stress. About to park up round a side road and the phone rings. "You'll never guess what, I got the wrong day. It was Monday." ffs

He's rebooked, new appointment in...




December Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Did he stop smoking recently? Are we in punched lasagne territory here? Laughing


I can't say he's even started smoking yet Shocked Laughing

He has been hooked up to fluids today, he's having 3 scans/xrays or whatever, apparently 3 is the best. He is also having a proper enema and having his insides squished to help break up the dump brick.

Looking north of £800 currently which having a nose around, looks to be there or abouts, mainly the imaging, pain relief and man hours. Regardless they did mention there was something about his stomach/intestine, inverted or some other word, not going to lie I was more concerned with his reaction to being squished than her talking.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

P. wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Did he stop smoking recently? Are we in punched lasagne territory here? Laughing


I can't say he's even started smoking yet Shocked Laughing

He has been hooked up to fluids today, he's having 3 scans/xrays or whatever, apparently 3 is the best. He is also having a proper enema and having his insides squished to help break up the dump brick.

Looking north of £800 currently which having a nose around, looks to be there or abouts, mainly the imaging, pain relief and man hours. Regardless they did mention there was something about his stomach/intestine, inverted or some other word, not going to lie I was more concerned with his reaction to being squished than her talking.


Sounds familiar and is no errand for the weak of stomach. If you're doing abominal x-rays you'd usually do one on each side and one with them lying on their back. The IV fluids help too.

A big chunk of the cost will be anesthetic. I certainly wouldn't try manually decompacting a cat without one so he shouldn't have any reactionto being squished. They shouldn't be in the same room as them when taking x-rays these days so sedation/anaesthetic is necessary (we used to just hold them down but you get shit x-rays).

Perhaps they are checking for an intersucception? Which is where bits of the guts go up inside one another like the toe of your sock if it's stuck to your toenail as you pull it off. More common in younger animals.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 31 Jan 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
The old fella had a hospital appointment today and, being the dutiful son-in-law, I offered to give him a lift. Parking's a fucking nightmare so a quick drop-off saves a lot of stress. About to park up round a side road and the phone rings. "You'll never guess what, I got the wrong day. It was Monday." ffs

He's rebooked, new appointment in...




December Shocked


Bright side thinking.

That will give you plenty of time to find a parking spot near the entrance.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Stinkwheel

He has intestinal lymphoma.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He has intestinal lymphoma.


That's a bummer. I'm sure they've taken you through the options there, none are great options. I'd say don't totally discount chemo out of hand, I've seen a few animals go for another year/18 months of good quality of life. All depends on the type of lymphoma, how tolerant the patient is with being treated and cost. We don't tend to use the kind of agressive chemo like they do in humans that makes them feel sick. The aim is to keep them as well as possible for as long as possible, not to keep them alive at all costs.

Our local referral practice has a specialist oncologist and they've recently started doing telephone/video consults to discuss options and interventions and go through some of the numbers with them. In fairness, most people decide to do no or minimal interventions but all of them appreciated the ability to make an informed decision.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. They've gone through loads of options, given me a load of guidance and sheets with info, told me to read over the weekend, call with questions, see them again on Monday.

He hasn't had a poo in 5 days, he looks defeated, I really do feel for him.

I've got the whole weekend to think, he's coming up to 13, which I don't think it's too old, but he's been with me since like 7 weeks when he got abandoned so it's fucking tough. Worst thing I've dealt with in my life.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw Padduccio Sad Sad

Bruno had lymphoma and I didn't even know until the last six months.

I felt terrible that I hadn't noticed it earlier as he *had* been miserable for quite a while and I couldn't work out why.

Its totally up to you, obviously. He's had a good life with you. Thirteen years! I know you've had a run of sadness with the little sugar dudes too and its horrid to lose furry fam, grief is such a fucking horrid emotion.

But I wish I'd not dragged out Bruno's last years, if I'd known I'd have let him go sooner and not put him through stuff that made me feel better but didn't make his life any easier in the long run.

Huge major big hellkat hugs Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear this Paddy, absolutely sucky news.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crap news mate, I feel for you both.

I've lost many pet birds over the years and at the end of the day my feelings don't come into it ... if I know they are suffering and nothing can be done then there is no question in my mind what to do.

Of course, if there is something that can be done which isn't too intrusive and improves the quality of life then I'd pick that in a heartbeat.

All the best ... Barry
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

What he said. You have to make the decision based on the welfare of the animal, and not what you want.

It's always awful.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 04 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

im sorry for your situation Paddy. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 05 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had ours put to sleep back in November, literally killed a bit of us. I like pets far far more than I like people. Got to do what has to be done, even if it's tough Sad

Grinding my gears today is building a 10ft by 20ft poly tunnel - trying to fit plastic clips / tension the cover in the cold and damp is not filling me with joy.

Hands are fucked and I'm stiff as hell from working at odd angles. Going to get the doors on today and throw a heater in and se le if that helps with the final tensioning.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 05 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear your bad news Paddy.

No stupid remarks from me today, we know you’ll do the right thing.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 05 Feb 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanted to upgrade the pathetic amount of storage capacity on Mrs stinkwheels notebook. It's a Dell, which I picked because they are generally reliable and easy to work with.

Entered the service tag on the Dell website and clicked for available upgrades. It came up with a few SSD options. Checked their online user manual and it looked like a piece of piss to fit, as such things usually are on Dells.

Not paying Dell prices though so went on Amazon and got a 256GB WD SSD with the same form factor. This duly arrived after 4 days from an amazon storefront called "London Computing".

Took the back off the notebook yesterday and for fucks sake, there's no SSD slot. All the pins are there and the PCB is labelled for an SSD but no slot fitted. Gears ground. Fuck you Dell.
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Went to return my useless SSD, should be easy enough through amazon right? Get the label printed. "London Computing" are in fucking Singapore! Looking at the packaging, the disc itself was dispatched from California. Gears ground so much the teeth have snapped off!

I'm not going to send good money after bad on this debacle with what I estimate being a very low chance of the thing actually getting there and a refund being issued.

I'm going to put a low form factor USB drive permanantly in the notebook to suppliment the pathetic 64GB integrated MMC.

Anyone want to buy a new, unopened Western Digital 256GB SSD M.2 2230 PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 ?
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