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PostPosted: 15:08 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Italy is hardly fucking long haul.

I'm also following the policy, process and guidelines that my organisation provides.


Cattle for the Khunts. (Pay them for any authorised incidentals via expenses claim form/process)

They can pay the £1800 upgrade to biz or eat into their airmiles.

Not a charity.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What grinds my gears?

No post exits. Mad



Yes. Need a new thread
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Italy is hardly fucking long haul.

I'm also following the policy, process and guidelines that my organisation provides.

That may well be the case, doesn't make it right though. I was just following my orders is something a Nazi like
me might say. Wink Still in this post Covid world of zoom calls being commonplace if it still requires a human being
attending in person for whatever reason then that human should be still treated like the organisation they represent
that saw fit to stick them on a plane gives a toss about their welfare. They're not putting the tea lady on a plane are
they? It's usually someone more important, talented, influential or skilled than that, so arguably a vital human resource
to a business or organisation. Besides, the ££ hike from cattle to business class isn't that great in the scheme of things,
especially to multi million/billion pound organisations that might need to put people on planes regularly. If you did Italy
and back 6 times a week for whatever reason, you'd certainly know about it. They may not at your place of employ,
but some people have to fly almost every day to do their job, this is simply not good for you in the long term, there's
no argument.

I also never mentioned the risk of dehydration, detrimental blood pressure changes, possible risks from
breathing recyled air because Covid™, thrombosis (especially after widespread uptake of certain vaccines) Whistle
that also all increase significantly for regular fliers. If you're Coleen Rooney and always off on holiday then fair enough
that's on you, but if your firm expects you to do that as part of your role, given many studies have been done on the
detrimental effects of flying very regularly then I stand by my point that ensuring the individual is comfortable
performing their duties is a bare minimum. It may well also be the very reason business class exists in the first place.
I'd imagine it may reduce absence through air travel related sickness + exhaustion also, looking at the bigger picture.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if they were flying every day then there could be a case but they are staying in country for a week.

Yes our duty of care is taken very seriously but as yet nobody has successfully managed to sue us for the detrimental effects of not being able to fly business class. After all its the same fucking air they are breathing as in cattle class.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the day my old man used to fly anywhere in Europe by the company jet and global by first class, he even had this cool credit card just for buying air tickets. Sometimes him and my mum would fly to Amsterdam, Paris or Stavanger just for a one night do either by the company plane or a customers. He wasn't even senior in the company he was a project engineer. Oh the days when big oil really was BIG. We used to go on holiday to London and stay in the company flat Mayfair. It was very swish and had a car lift. Funny there were all these Jags and Rollers and my Dads Morris Marina stuffed in with them. Looking back that flat was probably used for a lot of dodgy stuff involving Arabs. I also think my Raliegh Arena was bought cash with leftovers from the ol` expense account. Them we're the days!
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

our workplace has gone...green. It was a little pinkie initially...not big harm...catering for event become veggie...no big deal.

rite?

all in the name of goodness...rite.

fast forward to two years later, I need to go to <insert city name here>, and I'm being told I have to take the greenest route, irrespective of expense (within reason).

So I'm not flying 3hours. I'm taking a 10hr train journey involving 4 train changes and an overnight stop in shitsville...2 DAYS to get there..and 2 days back.

fuck greta
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Back in the day my old man used to fly anywhere in Europe by the company jet


My organisation has loads of jets. I've never flown in one but have crawled around the insides of some of them, including in the pilot seats and I can assure you the vast majority of the seating arrangements are not built with comfort in mind.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I am really glad ZOOm and TEAMS didn't exist When I was Fleet Manager. Flying out to Singapore in buisness class for a days worth of meetings. Getting there two days early and coming back two days after on the pretext of visiting ships there. Company credit card and a lovely room in the Shangri La hotel, just round the corner to Orchard Towers AKA 'The four Floors of Whores'.

I love(d) big oil.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


My organisation has loads of jets. I've never flown in one but have crawled around the insides of some of them, including in the pilot seats and I can assure you the vast majority of the seating arrangements are not built with comfort in mind.


You can travel by National Express then.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


I love(d) big oil.


Yeah, it was pretty good, when my old man was head hunted once the whole family were flown up to Aberdeen and put in a posh hotel, full room service no limits, i basically lived on Rib Eye steak and prawn Cocktails for the week. Aberdeen was actually nice then. At least it was paradise compared with West effing Yorkshire. I hope Greta ends her days in mud hut eating mouldy straw.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:

You can travel by National Express then.


The vast majority of accounting stuff doesn't really require travelling. I don't even have a passport.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:

You can travel by National Express then.


The vast majority of accounting stuff doesn't really require travelling. I don't even have a passport.


My Dad had several Passports. I think he may have been a spy Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

that_impulse_guy wrote:
our workplace has gone...green. It was a little pinkie initially...not big harm...catering for event become veggie...no big deal.

rite?

all in the name of goodness...rite.

fast forward to two years later, I need to go to <insert city name here>, and I'm being told I have to take the greenest route, irrespective of expense (within reason).

So I'm not flying 3hours. I'm taking a 10hr train journey involving 4 train changes and an overnight stop in shitsville...2 DAYS to get there..and 2 days back.

fuck greta
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
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Who?


Shocked


I also had to google him Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="hellkat"]

Fatty Tartan Pants didn't have too Laughing we know who he is

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PostPosted: 20:07 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
I can't fly coach anymore

"Can't." Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

At our place only the most senior finance person has the right to sign off business class but can delegate it down to named people.

I'm one of the lowest qualified accountants in our place but it has been delegated to me.

I have agreed that the guy who is best man on the Saturday can have business class on the flight he gets on early sunday and arrives on the other side of the world early Monday their time just in time for the meeting so they can sleep on the flight.

There is reasonableness in my decisions.

There is no justification for wasting tax payers money on business class for a flight that has a time that is shorter that a train journey to Leeds.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad in my youth of being a field engineer; more now though than at the time. I don't mind driving and had some fairly nice company cars - cheap sporty things and BMWs - which at least means trips to and from Cornwall for my mum was a trivial proposition... and on a motorbike glorious Smile

Train and plane travel I just see as an exercise in boredom regardless of luxury level. I draw the line at coaches though, a hideous experience Sad
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont mind trains and planes cos I can relax a bit, sleep or watch movies or listen to audiobooks. I do hate the tedium of long-haul but its Part of The Deal when you gotta go that far.

But I agree on the coaches, people on coaches seem to have that extra edge of cuntiness.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 19 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I dont mind trains and planes cos I can relax a bit, sleep or watch movies or listen to audiobooks. I do hate the tedium of long-haul but its Part of The Deal when you gotta go that far.

But I agree on the coaches, people on coaches seem to have that extra edge of cuntiness.


Coaches.

Years ago the Mrs. and I took a cooncil bus from Glasgow to Blackpool.

Driver stopped at Penrith and suggested we could all get off, grab a quick cup and a sannie and get back on so we could make a better time to Blackpool.
We were all off, pee'd, fed and watered within 20 mins.
There were two khunts sat in front of us. A mature couple but were canoodling and fornikating all the way down from Glasgow like a couple of teenagers.
We waited 1/2 an hour for them to get back on the bus. No sign of them.
Driver took a vote. Majority rule to leave the bastirts.

When we got into Blackpool, who was there to meet us?

Hawd it and Dawd it, looking for their luggage. Mad

So if its a coach ah'm oot.
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PostPosted: 07:04 - 20 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least coaches generally turn up when they are supposed to.

Half the trains I've taken have turned into a bus anyway which is one of the many reasons I wont use them any more.

I don't mind flying but I do hate airports. To the point I'd rather not go somewhere than fly there. I'll go on a ferry rather than fly even though I get horribly seasick. The only reason I do fly is because Mrs stinkwheel wants to go on foriegn holidays.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 20 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:

The vast majority of accounting stuff doesn't really require travelling. I don't even have a passport.


My Dad had several Passports. I think he may have been a spy Shocked


It was quite normal to have more than one passport in the shipping industry.

If you went to Israel they put a bloody big stamp in it so then the Arab nations wouldn't let you in and vice versa. Then there was apartheid South Africa. A stamp frpm them and no black country would entertain you. I also had one soley for the USSR for some reason. Maybe America being funny but yes, quite commonin my earlier life.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 20 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was quite normal to have more than one passport in the shipping industry.

If you went to Israel they put a bloody big stamp in it so then the Arab nations wouldn't let you in and vice versa. Then there was apartheid South Africa. A stamp frpm them and no black country would entertain you. I also had one soley for the USSR for some reason. Maybe America being funny but yes, quite commonin my earlier life.


Well yes that was the reason. Do they still do that today?
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 20 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't find my bike gloves to go away with tomorrow.

I know exactly where I left them because I take my gloves off, then my helmet and they go on one of those helmet shelves I put up in the hall.

Mrs stinkwheel says "I haven't touched any of your bike stuff.". Which is odd because all my jackets are zipped up on the hangers and my waterproof trousers were on the same hangar as my waterproof jacket, which was zipped up over them. I have never in my life zipped a bike jacket up on the hangar and I would put oilskins on seperate hangars for ventilation purposes which is why it took me half an hour to find the trousers.

This is evidence of deep and prolonged touching of my bike stuff involving taking all my bike stuff off the shelf, re-arranging it, then putting it back again in a different place... Someone else must have broken into the house when we were out and done it.

So I have a choice of waterproof winter gloves or ventilated summer gloves tomorrow...
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 20 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
At least coaches generally turn up when they are supposed to.

Half the trains I've taken have turned into a bus anyway which is one of the many reasons I wont use them any more.

I don't mind flying but I do hate airports. To the point I'd rather not go somewhere than fly there. I'll go on a ferry rather than fly even though I get horribly seasick. The only reason I do fly is because Mrs stinkwheel wants to go on foriegn holidays.


I like Schipol Airport, I could live there.
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