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If there's one thing about Americans they do respect armaments. Here's the aforementioned iconic rifle in all it's autistic detail:
https://youtu.be/LhDWcNQqBHo
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I have a 1886 MK4 in my bedroom.
Shot it last year with some original pre-WW1 cordite ammo that l found online, which all fired perfectly. Though the 4 rounds cost me over $40.
No factory ammo has been made for many decades and its very labor intensive to draw brass/cast lead and load your own. So now its a wall display.
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https://youtu.be/pCS-ISwMzEo
We do miss out on gun tech in UK.
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They are still using maxims on the front line in Ukraine. If you are interested in how things work, they have a pretty unique operating system which seems complex but turns out to be pretty damned reliable.
The design predates WW1 and is considered antiquated, but it turns out not redundant. I certainly wouldn't want to advance towards one.
Safety nuts hate them because you leave a live round in the feed mechanism when you unload.
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Wasn't there a risk of the whole lot blowing up in your face, though?
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I took some precautions on the first round, but the Martini action is very strong hence why it can handle the much higher pressures of smokeless powder, when it was originally made for lower pressure black powder.
https://i.ibb.co/gTkYsPn/tatters-mh2.jpg
I did have a accident with a Nornico copy of a M14 (M305) a few years ago. The bolt fractured in half (Chinese shitty forging). Which happened after firing a round, the following round was chambered by the fractured bolt but when the round went off the entire bolt blew out of the action and went pass my face.
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For auld guns. And not so old guns.
Proof testing is handy.
https://www.gunproof.com/
I can't remember exact rules but I think shotguns are proofed before sale to enhance the desirability.
Or something.
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| MCN wrote: | For auld guns. And not so old guns.
Proof testing is handy.
https://www.gunproof.com/
I can't remember exact rules but I think shotguns are proofed before sale to enhance the desirability.
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All guns were proofed before sale. Even really old ones. Some old black powder guns are capable of using higher pressure nitro propellants but would usually need to be re-proofed to check this if you value your fingers.
They are more lax about such things in the US. I'm not even sure they count a single-shot black powder rifle as a firearm?
As tatters says though, the drop breech on a Martini Henry is more like an artillery piece than a rifle as we currently know them. Engineered to withstand the force of a thousand Zulus armed with pointy sticks.
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| MCN wrote: | Wear in barrels can make a shotgun be out of proof. With risk of assploshun in one's fizog. |
It does happen but is extremely rare with lead shot, more corrosion. Of course we are now going over to Steel shot...
| MCN wrote: | There's a Murikan on YouTube does gun videos. He had a 50 cal round assplode in the breech and throw the bolt and bits out the back door through his neck and face.
Lucky to be alive.
I think the bolt thingy failed.
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Not quite correct. It was believed to be caused by a 'hot' tracer round that was rated far outside what the rifle was proofed at. |
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| sickpup wrote: | | MCN wrote: | Wear in barrels can make a shotgun be out of proof. With risk of assploshun in one's fizog. |
It does happen but is extremely rare with lead shot, more corrosion. Of course we are now going over to Steel shot...
| MCN wrote: | There's a Murikan on YouTube does gun videos. He had a 50 cal round assplode in the breech and throw the bolt and bits out the back door through his neck and face.
Lucky to be alive.
I think the bolt thingy failed.
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Not quite correct. It was believed to be caused by a 'hot' tracer round that was rated far outside what the rifle was proofed at. |
There is also the problem with center fire shotguns made in late 1800s with Damascus steel barrels. These will chamber a modern 12 gauge shell but are only rated for black powder and will blow up.
SAAMI (US) CIP (Euro) has pressure specs for every cartridge that firearms and ammo manufactures use. That round was originally loaded by the factory to meet SAAMI (or equivalent).
The problem with surplus ammo is storage conditions over the many decades of storage. Temperature and humidity can affect the propellant and primers causing rounds to either decrease or increase pressure/hang fires etc.
I remember reading about the above incident after seeing that video and the consensus on other forums was that it was surplus 50BMG that was most likely stored poorly for many years.
I have some 1930s German (Nazi headcase stamped) 8mm Mauser its a very hot round and is awful to shoot from my K98/M48. And would certainly damage a semi-auto K43.
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Guns (more modern) are over engineered to cater for excess forces.
Like lifting equipment.
The thing that is a quandary are the bumblefuks who self-load their ammo.
The quality control is real I'll wager.
And how much Moonshine does it take to refill 500 rounds of .45 using yer own cast bullets? 
YeeHaw.
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| sickpup wrote: | | MCN wrote: | Wear in barrels can make a shotgun be out of proof. With risk of assploshun in one's fizog. |
It does happen but is extremely rare with lead shot, more corrosion. Of course we are now going over to Steel shot...
| MCN wrote: | There's a Murikan on YouTube does gun videos. He had a 50 cal round assplode in the breech and throw the bolt and bits out the back door through his neck and face.
Lucky to be alive.
I think the bolt thingy failed.
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Not quite correct. It was believed to be caused by a 'hot' tracer round that was rated far outside what the rifle was proofed at. |
Not quite correct either.
It was an armour penetrative round in the rifle when it exploded.
Not a tracer round. He was swapping between two.
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The kentucky Ballistics accident was caused by a fake sabot launched armour piercing (SLAP) round. They cost about $100 each so there's a real black market for them.
That one had been loaded with handgun propellant instead of rifle propellant which burns faster and reaches a higher pressure. They reckon it generated a pressure spike somewhere in order of 10x what the rifle was designed for. It's a wonder it "only" blew the breach cap off, says a lot for the barrel and breach manufacture.
The Americans did something similar in the vietnam war. Operation Eldest Son involved them covertly seeding small numbers of massively over-pressure rounds into the North Vietnamese army ammunition supply. If you got one, your gun would blow up in your face. Probably at a minimum taking some fingers with it.
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | MCN wrote: | For auld guns. And not so old guns.
Proof testing is handy.
https://www.gunproof.com/
I can't remember exact rules but I think shotguns are proofed before sale to enhance the desirability.
Or something. |
All guns were proofed before sale. Even really old ones. Some old black powder guns are capable of using higher pressure nitro propellants but would usually need to be re-proofed to check this if you value your fingers.
They are more lax about such things in the US. I'm not even sure they count a single-shot black powder rifle as a firearm?
As tatters says though, the drop breech on a Martini Henry is more like an artillery piece than a rifle as we currently know them. Engineered to withstand the force of a thousand Zulus armed with pointy sticks. |
even old black powder cap and ball revolvers are not classes as a firearm in us
you can get em mail order and convicted felons can have when there banned from hand guns in a some states. a lot now have changed the rules now |
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