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PostPosted: 15:37 - 16 Jul 2023    Post subject: CCNA (Cisco) Reply with quote

Would there be any point in someone who doesn't have qualifications/experience in the field taking a CCNA course?

I was looking at a City & Guilds Level 3 ICT course and was offered the CCNA course.

My concerns are that it's too specialised and might be too complicated. I'm reasonably techie but hit a brick wall with stuff like coding, circuit design (if that helps gauge my level).
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 16 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a very good course and will teach you about network addressing, the network stack, various networking protocols and the Cisco IOS operating system commands. There's no coding involved.

From memory the pass mark for the exam is pretty high and the exam itself is based around progressive adaptive testing.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 16 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a Cisco cert umm... several decades ago but knowing Cisco I doubt much has changed Laughing I wouldn't say you need to know coding as such but there's a certain mindset for these things. "Autist" is too cheap a shot but are you reasonable with maths, engineering, techie stuff in general?

For example, you say you can't handle coding but which languages have you tried? Half of it is figuring out the psychological makeup of the creators Smile I started with this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Programming-Language-2nd/dp/0131103628

...many moons ago and although no one really writes in C anymore if you can follow this book you'd have a gateway to quite a few modern programming languages.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 16 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
"Autist" is too cheap a shot but are you reasonable with maths, engineering, techie stuff in general?

No, not really, yes Smile

I was looking for something that might help get me even considered for IT support roles, although I'm realistic that I'm probably too old.

I know a lot of people have level 4/degree IT qualifications, so a level 3 shitty and guilds or CCNA on its own isn't going to be impressive.

Easy-X wrote:
For example, you say you can't handle coding but which languages have you tried?

C++ about 15 years ago now (that's depressing in itself). I tried a code academy thing about 5 years ago but it was crap.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 16 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
"Autist" is too cheap a shot but are you reasonable with maths, engineering, techie stuff in general?

No, not really, yes Smile

I was looking for something that might help get me even considered for IT support roles, although I'm realistic that I'm probably too old.

I know a lot of people have level 4/degree IT qualifications, so a level 3 shitty and guilds or CCNA on its own isn't going to be impressive.

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For example, you say you can't handle coding but which languages have you tried?

C++ about 15 years ago now (that's depressing in itself). I tried a code academy thing about 5 years ago but it was crap.


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PostPosted: 10:14 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
C++ about 15 years ago now (that's depressing in itself). I tried a code academy thing about 5 years ago but it was crap.


Well there's your problem. C++ is a horrendous language - take the purity of C and bum it senseless Sad C# was pretty easy going a few years ago but it's gone a bit "off reservation" lately.

Maybe have a little dabble with Arduinos, very easy to program. While they're described as using C++ it's so simplified it's more like the original C.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waste of time if you don't use it regularly. It's SO dry, that unless you're messing with Cisco switch configs every day it'll be meaningless and very abstract.

I did the CCNA course on Udemy, and at the time I'd just finished a job at a company where it would have been useful, but I never use it in my current job and can I remember any of it? Can I heck.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cisco specific stuff probably not but as Islander pointed out learning networking in general is a good thing.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

C++ about 15 years ago now (that's depressing in itself). I tried a code academy thing about 5 years ago but it was crap.

C++ is one of the harder languages to learn, try C# or Java. I found books are the best way to learn programming at least for me, and O'riley's Head First series is the best for beginner that I found when I was in university.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Head-First-4e-Jennifer-Greene/dp/1491976705/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2M418GVWWRH4M&keywords=head+first+c%23&qid=1689596563&sprefix=head+first+c%23%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-1

A level 3 IT course sounds good though, I started out doing a level 3 IT course before university and found it to be very useful and it actually covered 90% of what I did in the first year of computer science at university. I'm sure if you backed it up with some self learning you'd be able to land a IT support job.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
The Cisco specific stuff probably not but as Islander pointed out learning networking in general is a good thing.


Networking in general is different from CCNA. CCNA is very specialised - If you need it then nothing else will do. If you don't need it then I doubt it'll make a great deal of sense.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
M.C wrote:
C++ about 15 years ago now (that's depressing in itself). I tried a code academy thing about 5 years ago but it was crap.


Well there's your problem. C++ is a horrendous language - take the purity of C and bum it senseless Sad C# was pretty easy going a few years ago but it's gone a bit "off reservation" lately.

Maybe have a little dabble with Arduinos, very easy to program. While they're described as using C++ it's so simplified it's more like the original C.

I was gonna try python before but I had so many issues just getting the pi to work I gave up. I guess it came free with a magazine...

https://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/310/OpusVL-PiZero-magazine.png

Anyway doesn't ChatGPT write code for you now? When it's not getting upset Laughing

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PostPosted: 21:11 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
The Cisco specific stuff probably not but as Islander pointed out learning networking in general is a good thing.


Networking in general is different from CCNA. CCNA is very specialised - If you need it then nothing else will do. If you don't need it then I doubt it'll make a great deal of sense.


It also covers basic architecture (switches, routers, etc.), IP addressing and netmask principles, protocols how the stack works...

In other words, network principles. The IOS segment and the more specific Cisco stuff isn't the whole deal. In any case having Cisco knowledge is useful for anyone looking for a tech support role - they're the leading general network equipment supplier after all.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

I was gonna try python before but I had so many issues just getting the pi to work I gave up. I guess it came free with a magazine...

https://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/310/OpusVL-PiZero-magazine.png

Anyway doesn't ChatGPT write code for you now? When it's not getting upset Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/chatgpt.png


You don't need a Pi to learn Python. You can run it on any OS platform Smile

ChatGPT will produce very good code if you ask the right questions by the way. I've used it a few times for Python and Perl snippets as a time saver. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 17 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
M.C wrote:

I was gonna try python before but I had so many issues just getting the pi to work I gave up. I guess it came free with a magazine...

https://blogs.opusvl.com/_attachment/310/OpusVL-PiZero-magazine.png

Anyway doesn't ChatGPT write code for you now? When it's not getting upset Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/chatgpt.png


You don't need a Pi to learn Python. You can run it on any OS platform Smile

Yeah I meant programming the Pi, doing the projects people talk about.
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learnt my networking stuff "on the job" which was definitely slower pace, but reading through the CCNA stuff online, its mostly items that I have learnt and make use of daily, along with nice reminders about stuff I sometimes have to press tab to remember the commands on the CLI Laughing

I spent about 7 years playing with switches, routers, firewalls and that and learning how to use them in my previous job and ended up moving elsewhere which used those skills at a higher level. I don't just touch Cisco now, but as Islander says, you learn a decent network understanding and how things actually work that isn't Cisco specific, which has let me transition to Fortinet, Juniper and various other big names which even having their own OS and config which is remarkably different, the actual networking principles are the same and will be across all networking kit.

If you find computers and techy things fun, the networking side can be fun. I love it.

Is it worth it... maybe, I don't know what the going rate for an engineer is but I am certainly above the "advertised salaries" from Indeed so don't use them as a true measuring stick, stuff like this would be good if you had a year or two exposure and actually got in touch with the automation type tools they ask about, making changes has never been easier however with your lack of enjoyment in any programming stuff, maybe not eh Laughing - https://uk.indeed.com/q-cisco-ccna-%C2%A360,000-jobs.html?vjk=f84f526dd3f03773
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:

You don't need a Pi to learn Python.


You do, otherwise it's just "thon".


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PostPosted: 19:29 - 18 Jul 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:



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