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Looks like saccadic masking may have been at play or more likely the driver didn't look far enough ahead.
When I drive I'm looking miles ahead of me, planning, anticipating and providing early indication of intention. Start observing most drivers and you'll see they look barely a car length or two in front.
I think if it can be proved the motorcyclist is speeding then they should have partial blame, however it is up to a road user to look sufficiently far enough ahead to assess the situation prior to crossing lanes.
A good example of this (and it's very often people carriers in my experience) is pulling out into the road centre to pass a parked car at the very last moment then swerving sharply back. Highly visible roundabouts are also a good one - they won't indicate til right at the last moment but will slow to a crawl or stop. Shows insufficient planning.
Realistically it would depend on the speed violation being proven without reasonable doubt and the extent, I'd also be interested to see what legal precedent is available in this kind of scenario.
I'd say at least partial fault should fall to the driver unless it could be proven the motorcyclist was riding at a speed which would be considered dangerous driving. It's not clear cut off the basis of watching a video - without being in that court and seeing the evidence given I wouldn't like to comment on the outcome with much certainty.
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The speed's got everything to do with it. The bike's doing double the speed limit which means 3x the stopping distance. If the car could see far in excess of the 30mph stopping distance when they first checked then they could reasonably assume that the road would remain clear for the time then needed to cross that lane, because believe it or not they have several other checks to make not just looking out for potential speeding uninsured non-licensed idiots. The road ahead, the road behind, the road they are turning into, the pavement crossing that junction, the vehicle in front of him etc etc. The bike has only one place to look - where he's going and he made a piss poor job of that.
So let's say the bike is doing 30mph, that's 13.4m/sec. Stopping distance for that speed is quoted as 23metres or just about 2 carlengths plus gaps. Easy stopping for that situation, not that he'd need to because at 30mph there would be no car/bike interface because for there to be a crash he would have been in full view of the turning car for a long few seconds and much closer to boot. If he'd been doing 30mph the The bike ain't doing 30 though because at 0.09 seconds he's way up the road not even aligned with the 4th car in front of the turning car, which has pulled away from the three behind it. Probably 50 or 60 metres away from impact, which he covers in about 2.5 seconds which puts his speed between 50 and 60mph. Stopping distance for 60mph or 26 metres/sec is quoted as 73metres so he's fucked, he went from out of sight to impact little more than 2 seconds and in a lot less than his minimum stopping distance for that speed. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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