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bugsy46 · Village Idiot Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Karma :

Ok

Yes, I think its ok to let it happen again and again as long as it isnt deliberate which quite clearly it was not. But it isnt going to, because racing doesnt work like that. Statistics prove this.
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Silver · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Karma :

Right, I've just watched the race on Sky+ after desperately trying to avoid all news coverage!

Well that last lap was fantastic, and to me it looks like a racing incident. End of. They're on the last lap of a race, they're rivals, they've overtaken each other several times on that lap already... The adenalin could not be flowing much harder!

As I see it, there was a gap under Sete and Rossi went for it. It looks like he then saw Sete cutting across which is when he tries to drag his bike over further (and his foot comes off the peg). They hit, Sete possibly keeps Rossi on the track at the expensive of himself. It's a racing incident - there is no way someone's going to plan something like that, and Rossi is not that type of rider. You don't purposely ram someone on a bike, that puts you in as much danger as them - it's not F1!

Irdawood the 2nd · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Karma :

i really should let it rest but i couldnt Wink

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

EuropeanNC30R... · Gay Hairdresser Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Karma :

G are you suggesting that Rossi got away with this move because of who he is?

Like I said before, Sete almost ran Rossi off the track a couple corners previous going past him, yet we're not discussing that particular move...

Gazdaman · I did a trackday!!! Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Karma :

I think those pics show that it was Sete's fault, by riding into Rossi, rather than Rossi going wide and forcing him off.

Although once they'd touched I think Rossi just made sure it stuck.

Good racing if you ask me Thumbs Up

But I agree with G, if this kind of thing becomes acceptable it'll come down to a demolition derby kind of affair. I think this particular move was acceptable.

Gaz

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scottiel · Trackday Trickster Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Karma :

It was a racing incident. I did exactly the same on saturday, as I came into the hairpin a guy came round the outside of me and cut me off for next corner, as we came out of this corner and headed for final corner i cut inside him got the power down came under him he turned on to me, I pushed him wide and crossed the line before him. ok so we are only clubman racers and it was for 15th place but racing is racing and IF YOUR NOT IN THEN YOU CAN'T WIN.

The guy came up to me later and said it was a great move and shook my hand. Sete is just a moody shit when things don't go his way. Rossi was a bit Agressive but thats why he is a Legend. In 10 years time where will Sete be. Laughing

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Johnny GSX-R · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Karma :

Rossi would no doubt have made that corner a lot tighter than he did BUT the collision as Sete cut back in unsetled the bike and caused it to run wide, anyone who rides a bike will understand that. if you hit a bump mid corner it upsets the whole machine and causes it to run wide on many occasions, a bump at the speeds they were doing and at the lean angles they were on then there's only one thing going to happen............the bike will wibble about and run off line.

GO GO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gazdaman · I did a trackday!!! Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Karma :

I realise it's the overtaker's job to do so safely but it would have been safe if Sete hadn't done what he did.

In summary, I think it was fine, and it had me on the edge of my seat, well done Rossi.

Gaz

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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Look at the last shot.

That was where Rossi Apex'd. While Sete's line took him to apex just after they collided, which seems about right to get lots of drive out of the corner.

Having looked at those pictures, it does seem Sete was a bit wide.

Bit it wasn't wide enough to let Sete overtake safely (ie not make Sete change position until he is actually fully past him).

If you pull to the left side of a van that's about to turn on the road, you would have a very hard time proving that you weren't at fault.

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Dom · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Karma :

I'd disagree that Sete was at all wide. If anything, I reckon he had a defensive line for that corner. If you look at this pic you can see that both riders are on the lighter part of the track, ie where it's dusty and to the left of the normal racing line. Also look at where the rumble strips are in the pictures for a good indication of the normal racing line - Sete was far closer to it and would have probably made the normal apex if it wasn't for Rossi.

https://www.marca.com/05/04/10/maniobra_rossi/01.jpg

I don't think anyone's saying that Rossi shouldn't have tried to overtake, but I do still feel that Rossi outbraked himself on completely the wrong line and ran into Sete as a result. Although Sete does move in towards Rossi's line, the line Rossi's on is nowhere near the normal apex for the corner.

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