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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | mentalboy wrote: | https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-a463299e9046a088b84018a758197588-gm-honda-begin-commercial-production-at-industrys-first-hydrogen-fuel-cell-system-manufacturing-joint-venture |
Beyond the, “It only emits water!” city car appeal I can’t see how hydrogen fixes anything. So you’ve made your electricity from wind/solar/tidal (nowhere near enough to meet even existing uses but that’s another matter) but you’re not going to use it for transportation yet, you’re going to use it to hydrolyse water and then create extraordinary pressure to compress the hydrogen into liquid form? Now you’ve got to store it and transport it to regional fuel stops, but the existing petrol/diesel infrastructure isn’t suitable. Besides which, you’ve already incurred considerable efficiency losses. Sounds like a dead end. |
Maybe fuel cells don't 'go bad' like batteries do. ICE fule is also plenty inefficient - extraction-refinement-combustion lose at all points. Hydrogen maty be worse (for efficiency) I don't know but I prefer the idea to batteries ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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Posted: 04:15 - 11 Feb 2024 Post subject: |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | mentalboy wrote: | https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-a463299e9046a088b84018a758197588-gm-honda-begin-commercial-production-at-industrys-first-hydrogen-fuel-cell-system-manufacturing-joint-venture |
Beyond the, “It only emits water!” city car appeal I can’t see how hydrogen fixes anything. So you’ve made your electricity from wind/solar/tidal (nowhere near enough to meet even existing uses but that’s another matter) but you’re not going to use it for transportation yet, you’re going to use it to hydrolyse water and then create extraordinary pressure to compress the hydrogen into liquid form? Now you’ve got to store it and transport it to regional fuel stops, but the existing petrol/diesel infrastructure isn’t suitable. Besides which, you’ve already incurred considerable efficiency losses. Sounds like a dead end. |
So folks, henceforth shanks pony it is, obviously barefoot so that we aren't expending vital energy and resources making all those pesky rubber soled boots that we'll be wearing out.
How did we cope when all we had were stables? Petrol stations were hardly part of the infrastructure, until they were.
There is no ideal solution that doesn't involve pre-industrial revolution transport methods and the number of people you can find, who aren't my mother, prepared to accept those methods are not great enough in number to make a difference where it counts, even Greta might kick up a stink if you take away her ability to get all over the world, speedily, to protest.
What is the answer then? Forget all these new-fangled theories and stick with ICE until all the dino goo is gone, keeping our heads firmly buried in the sand so we don't breathe in all the noxious by products? ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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mentalboy wrote: | Forget all these new-fangled theories and stick with ICE until all the dino goo is gone, keeping our heads firmly buried in the sand so we don't breathe in all the noxious by products? |
No, that's not the central problem. "Stick with ICE until..." EVs are actually ready for general use.
"But they won't ever be ready! This is chicken & egg Armageddon, people must be forced to used them!!!"
Outside of war, name me anything that works better through the use of force over persuasion ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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It always goes back to "will it work in a zombie apocalypse?" Siphoning petrol from abandoned cars, easy-peasy. Transferring energy from abandoned EVs? Errrr.... ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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You can call bullshit all you want. I have every receipt and work order from new and the biggest outging was a full set of discs and pads which obviously are consumables. Perhaps I drive better than most because no EGR issues, no DPF issues & 45 mpg on a run.
But actually this proves a point. Irrespective of any statistics, you are convinced diesel Jags are unreliable. There a lots of people who have bought Teslas and posted on utube or twitter about dead batteries, being locked out of the car, bursting into flames and sh1t range. Even one I saw where Tesla reduced the battery range because said owner somehow hadn't paid for the extended range so was turned off over the net. They aren't going to go back to another Tesla out of choice and everyone who uses utube and twitter sees these posts. A lot of bad press for EV's to overcome.
Doesn't mean they are all bad but...... ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Polarbear wrote: | You can call bullshit all you want. I have every receipt and work order from new and the biggest outging was a full set of discs and pads which obviously are consumables. Perhaps I drive better than most because no EGR issues, no DPF issues & 45 mpg on a run.
But actually this proves a point. Irrespective of any statistics, you are convinced diesel Jags are unreliable. There a lots of people who have bought Teslas and posted on utube or twitter about dead batteries, being locked out of the car, bursting into flames and sh1t range. Even one I saw where Tesla reduced the battery range because said owner somehow hadn't paid for the extended range so was turned off over the net. They aren't going to go back to another Tesla out of choice and everyone who uses utube and twitter sees these posts. A lot of bad press for EV's to overcome.
Doesn't mean they are all bad but...... |
Just admit it that you've actually blanked the EGRs
I can talk about my experience with my Tesla and with my Jaguar XF and X-Type before it. All three of them shite for various reasons. I did actually love my Jaguar XF, even thought it was only a 3 litre diesel it was comfortable, looked good and I really enjoyed her for years. The only reason I call it a shite car is because of all the EGR and DPF problems it had.
The two best cars I've ever had were my 1997 BMW 540i and then my 2005 BMW 750Li, the latter being the most comfortable car I've ever owned and only beaten to most comfortable I've been in by a Rolls-Royce Cullinan. Both bimmers I've owned unfortunately were taken before their time in smashes (1 fault & 1 non-fault).
Here's a list of the cars I've had from bestest to shitest:
2005 BMW 750Li - written-off (non-fault),
1997 BMW 540i - written-off (fault),
2009 Jaguar XF 3.0D - written-off (non-fault),
2005 Volvo S60 T5 - written-off (non-fault),
2021 Tesla Model 3 Long Range,
2002 Nissan Primera 1.8 (petrol) - scrapped,
2004 Toyota Celica 1.8 VVT-i - sold,
2005 Renault Laguna (estate) 1.8 TD - scrapped,
1996 Honda CRV 2.0 (petrol) - written-off (non-fault),
2004 Vauxhall Vectra 1.8 (petrol) - scrapped,
2006 Ford Fiesta 1.25 - sold,
2002 Jaguar X-Type 2.0D - scrapped.
You will note that I've had a load of cars written off. Believe it or not but two of them were Tesco vans reversing into them while they were parked up, one was a farmers gate opening into the road as I was approaching and the final one was an Asian lady ramming into the side of my car at a junction.
The reason there's a load of scrapped cars in there is that I went through a phase of buying a cheap car in cash and running it into the ground. Example is the Renault Laguna, I bought that at an auction for £750 because it had a blown turbo, fitted a reconditioned turbo into it myself and then put moon-miles on it travelling up and down the UK to building sites racking up huge mileage payments until almost two years down the line I was heading back up to Glasgow from a site in Bristol and the turbo went and it went into runaway mode on the M74 just north of Lancaster. I was able to stall it right away but she was not sounding healthy when I started her back up. I was brassic back then so didn't have the money to pay a tow or recovery so I limped it back up the road staying under 1,800 RPM so that the turbo didn't spool up and it fucking worked I got all the way to sight of the off-ramp at Lesmahagow when my luck ran out and it went into full-blown runaway mode. I wasn't able to stop it and it revved it's tits off till the big ends blew apart. Rolled it down the off ramp and some workies who were sitting drinking coffee on the grass verge at the Tesco roundabout came over and helped me push it up onto the grass verge on the other side as it was completely fucking dead. Called my dad to come collect me, phoned a scrappy the next day and got £240 and the scrappy even collected it from where it was. ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote: | Example is the Renault Laguna, I bought that at an auction for £750 because it had a blown turbo, fitted a reconditioned turbo into it myself and then put moon-miles on it travelling up and down the UK to building sites racking up huge mileage payments until almost two years down the line I was heading back up to Glasgow from a site in Bristol and the turbo went and it went into runaway mode on the M74 just north of Lancaster. I was able to stall it right away but she was not sounding healthy when I started her back up. I was brassic* back then so didn't have the money to pay a tow or recovery so I limped it back up the road staying under 1,800 RPM so that the turbo didn't spool up and it fucking worked I got all the way to sight of the off-ramp at Lesmahagow when my luck ran out and it went into full-blown runaway mode. I wasn't able to stop it and it revved it's tits off till the big ends blew apart. Rolled it down the off ramp and some workies who were sitting drinking coffee on the grass verge at the Tesco roundabout came over and helped me push it up onto the grass verge on the other side as it was completely fucking dead. Called my dad to come collect me, phoned a scrappy the next day and got £240 and the scrappy even collected it from where it was. |
BTW I believe it's Borassic btw, as in Borassic Flint - Skint (alt. Boracic Lint a medical dressing)'. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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A100man wrote: |
BTW I believe it's Borassic btw, as in Borassic Flint - Skint (alt. Boracic Lint a medical dressing)'. |
Fuck ok well i was skint as fuck ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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