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PostPosted: 11:23 - 26 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The exhaust is original,22 year old exhaust, is it breathing and nothing collapse inside as in a rattle?
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 26 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
from the days of cdi onwards (basically electronic ignition) they became quite robust and due to the fact there are no moving parts (or even repositionable parts) they tend to either work or not work, and very little likelihood of your problem being ignition related.


Agreed - if it works well up to 5k it should also worki higher up therange. Issues I've had with similar fou pot UJMs have been with carbs. All along your's has sounded to me like it struggles when the main jets come on line - whats the exhaust smoke like? black, stinking of fuel by chance?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 26 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my knowledge, carburetor main jet operation is dependent on air flow, not engine speed. At no load (transmission in neutral and throttle pinned), rpms should bounce off the rev limiter without engaging the main jets. Symptom suggests a timing issue. Maybe the cam timing retarded... might be worth a check and won't cost anything.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 26 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cam timing showing up at 7k revs on full load? Are you fucking kiddding?
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 26 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Cam timing showing up at 7k revs on full load? Are you fucking kidding?

I am not kidding. OP said engine revs to 5000 rpm no load, and occasionally he can manage it up to 7000 rpm no load (his words). You are right about the ignition, kudos to you, but instead of dicking around with carburetor circuits that require more air than the engine flows at no load, why not check the cam timing? Can't hurt, and OP recently reset the tappets.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
To my knowledge, carburetor main jet operation is dependent on air flow, not engine speed. At no load (transmission in neutral and throttle pinned), rpms should bounce off the rev limiter without engaging the main jets.


So at no load, not enough mixture is being pulled through for the vacuum to pull-up the needle, even thoug it's revving it's tits off - Fair comment..

..although it could still mean the other jets/enrichment are delivering too much fuel I guess..

Do we know what the plugs look like?
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
[... even thoug it's revving it's tits off -

Now that conjures an interesting mental image. Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
A100man wrote:
[... even thoug it's revving it's tits off -

Now that conjures an interesting mental image. Shocked


A common enough expression over here Wink
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen someone battling with this kind of issue on a drag bike. Vibration at a certain revs was causing a poor connection in an electrical connector. Only happened at the one RPM just happened to be a resonant frequency for that part.

Put a volt meter on the coil power lead and see what it does when you hit the RPM where your trouble starts.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Again Everyone.
This is what to many of you will be an obvious question but, I want your answer.
I am replacing the O-Rings in the carb Manifold boots, do I bolt them together with dry surfaces or would you recommend a little smear of Hylomar?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure most instant gasket types don't play nicely with petrol.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Landyman wrote:
Hello Again Everyone.
This is what to many of you will be an obvious question but, I want your answer.
I am replacing the O-Rings in the carb Manifold boots, do I bolt them together with dry surfaces or would you recommend a little smear of Hylomar?
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I tend to use silicone grease on o-rings..
..but there's a fair chance that's wrong.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 27 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently Hylomar Universal Blue is fuel resistant...
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 28 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I generally don't use anything more than a smear of oil or grease to help the o-ring squish down evenly. They should seal unless the mating surface is damaged. I put a tiny wipe of red rubber grease on carb rubbers to assist with fitting.

I use permabond A136 on gasketed manifolds.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 28 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Morning and Thank You Again.
You are right about Hylomar Blue, it is resistant to oil, petrol and a host of other stuff plus it is none setting and can be applied under water but, I've never used it on a 'dry joint'where it's two machined surfaces and a Nitril O-Ring. I think I may just stick with a grease smear.
The big build should be finished this weekend, subject to eBay deliveries, after which it's fingers crossed that the work and new parts pay off.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 28 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

hylomar never dries.
never.
so if it gets sucked in, it'll be around forever....maybe it'll block a jet...maybe a oil feed.
maybe it just goes and sits in the oil filter.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 28 Feb 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike engines will rev to the moon if you squirt petrol into the intakes with no carbs fitted. Spray some go juice down its throat with the carbs off and if it still falls over at 5k your problem is not fuelling.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 03 Mar 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Finally.
Just to keep you up to speed, the problem has been sorted. The whole issue has taken time, patience, a little money and repeated strip, fettle, rebuild and test, until it was fixed.
Jobs done finalised with removing the inlet manifold boots, removing the knackered O-Rings, cleaning each boot till they were perfect before conditioning with red rubber grease and fitting new O-Rings. Replacing the main jets with new, replacing the pilot air jets with new, re-setting the floats with the aid of a digital vernia and polishing all the surfaces.
Success! Starts, ticks over, revs and runs like a Swiss watch.
Thank You Everybody for your advice, ideas, guidance and support, it has all been helpful.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 04 Mar 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Landyman wrote:
And Finally.
Just to keep you up to speed, the problem has been sorted. The whole issue has taken time, patience, a little money and repeated strip, fettle, rebuild and test, until it was fixed.
Jobs done finalised with removing the inlet manifold boots, removing the knackered O-Rings, cleaning each boot till they were perfect before conditioning with red rubber grease and fitting new O-Rings. Replacing the main jets with new, replacing the pilot air jets with new, re-setting the floats with the aid of a digital vernia and polishing all the surfaces.
Success! Starts, ticks over, revs and runs like a Swiss watch.
Thank You Everybody for your advice, ideas, guidance and support, it has all been helpful.
Kind Regards.


Cool, so it was fuel intake, but we're not quite sure what, specifically..
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 04 Mar 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manifold boots and leaking o-rings suggest the mixture was running lean, in my estimation.
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