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PostPosted: 17:15 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
They are there to serve the people and carry out their will.


Arguably that line of thinking ended back with the Empire. Now it's an exercise in cattle management with recent governments just being less apologetic about it.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not sure that comparing early SNP to Reform Party is possibly the angle you meant to take. SNP may well have gone a lot further a lot quicker in their first 20 years if they hadn't gotten themselves a reputation for undermining the war effort.
There is also the minor point that Mr. Farage is like a snake but instead of shedding his skin he dumps his party name for another one whenever it becomes toxic.
Even a grade A moron should be able to make a populist party successful, or do you think populist means something else?


I am not comparing anyone. Alex Salmond conceded that what reform managed in a few weeks, took them 20 years.

And that is it. And Farage is far from a grade A moron. He is acknowledged widely to be the most influential and successful politician of the 21st century.

The fact that you do not like him does not change that.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 08 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately Farage happens to be a real person and not a political NPC. Many see that as cheapening the role of MP Wink
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
He is acknowledged widely to be the most influential and successful politician of the 21st century.

The fact that you do not like him does not change that.


How many times did he run for MP before he finally managed it? 7? Odd definition of "successful" Razz

He's a gobshite who's managed to perfect the art of conning thick people, which isn't difficult. And now they see him being a loud gobshite saying what they want to hear, they feel "hes just saying what we all think!" and feel empowered to be more vocal in their outpouring of hatred.

I'd replace "influential" with dangerous and argue hes responsible in a large part for how much of a shitshow the past decade has been. Cameron being a spineless pig fucking cunt and pandering to him, scared of losing a few MPs defecting to UKIP, calling the Brexit referendum and then the absolute clown show shower of shit its been since. Frankly with the damage theyve caused to our country, all their heads belong on pikes above traitor's gate. And I voted for Cameron, ugh, fell for the lies believing "austerity is a necessary evil, just making the hard choices".
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
How does it feel to know that your protest vote resulted in Labour winning its second biggest ever majority, the resurgence of Liberal Democrats and the Greens winning a roughly similar number of seats as your chosen party?

Everyone expected a Labour majority (though much good may it do them, as per Boris’ ‘majority’).

The fact that Reform got as many seats as the long-established Greens is surely only an indictment of the Greens.

The Tories (who I’ve never voted for) were always going to be rightly decimated in this election so Labour were guaranteed a majority in (realistically) our two-party state. Personally I didn’t want Labour either so I voted for a party which would do things differently, knowing they wouldn’t gain power but at least they have a voice in Parliament. I want Labour or Conservative to reform.

Blair’s ‘New Labour’ had moved the party to the right. Even Commie Corbyn couldn’t reverse that, and Johnson/Sunak’s high tax, big state Conservatives’ have moved their party to the left. The two parties have converged left of centre leaving us former centrists on the new right, also allowing the stupid epithet, ‘Far Right’ for anyone who once supported old Tory values.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameron set up the referendum with the sole intention of killing anti-EU sentiment in his own party once and for all. Huge misjudgement. He failed. No need to factor Farage into that.

Still, Parliament has been in denial and not acted on the result.

How has Brexit impacted you personally?
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tierbirdy wrote:
tinkicker wrote:
He is acknowledged widely to be the most influential and successful politician of the 21st century.

The fact that you do not like him does not change that.


How many times did he run for MP before he finally managed it? 7? Odd definition of "successful" Razz

He's a gobshite who's managed to perfect the art of conning thick people, which isn't difficult. And now they see him being a loud gobshite saying what they want to hear, they feel "hes just saying what we all think!" and feel empowered to be more vocal in their outpouring of hatred.

I'd replace "influential" with dangerous and argue hes responsible in a large part for how much of a shitshow the past decade has been. Cameron being a spineless pig fucking cunt and pandering to him, scared of losing a few MPs defecting to UKIP, calling the Brexit referendum and then the absolute clown show shower of shit its been since. Frankly with the damage theyve caused to our country, all their heads belong on pikes above traitor's gate. And I voted for Cameron, ugh, fell for the lies believing "austerity is a necessary evil, just making the hard choices".



In your opinion. Other opinions are available.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


How has Brexit impacted you personally?


Its really fucked up me buying stuff from the EU. I donn't mean personally, I mean at work.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


How has Brexit impacted you personally?


Its really fucked up me buying stuff from the EU. I donn't mean personally, I mean at work.


Go on.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tierbirdy wrote:
....shite....

tinkicker wrote:
In your opinion. Other opinions are available.

No, they're not.
Anyone that refuses to sing from the Libtard song sheet is immediately cancelled.
Freedom of speech and opinion is only permitted if it conforms with their twisted, upside down views.
Twats.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Cameron set up the referendum with the sole intention of killing anti-EU sentiment in his own party once and for all. Huge misjudgement. He failed. No need to factor Farage into that.


You do have to wonder if the EU wanted Brexit to happen. Camerons plan was to go to the EU, get some changes made to the relationship then come back saying he's managed to negotiate changes so vote remain.

They gave him diddly squat, not even something minor and unimportant he could work some spin on. I'm sure he explained his rationale to them at the time and all they gave him was a lingering smell of garlic and pickled cabbage as the door slammed shut.

Although if you want someone to blame, blame Brown. He's the one who sneaked in a side door after everyone had gone and signed the Lisbon treaty. Something which had already been expressly rejected by parliament, then given a different name and signed anyway. That one piece of legislation is where a lot of the aggro came from and he shouldn't have signed it, proper barrack room lawyer stuff, he'd never have got it through a vote.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You do have to wonder if the EU wanted Brexit to happen. Camerons plan was to go to the EU, get some changes made to the relationship then come back saying he's managed to negotiate changes so vote remain.

They gave him diddly squat, not even something minor and unimportant he could work some spin on.

I think that’s more to do with EU arrogance, - it’s our way or no way. Look how they’ve just proposed the under-achiever Ursula von der Leyen as President again, and ‘democratically’ invited the EU Parliament to elect her from a choice of one.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 09 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

When bureaucracy becomes a religion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EBs7sCOzo&ab_channel=TheGrandTour
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 10 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

I think that’s more to do with EU arrogance, - it’s our way or no way. Look how they’ve just proposed the under-achiever Ursula von der Leyen as President again, and ‘democratically’ invited the EU Parliament to elect her from a choice of one.


Which brings us neatly back to the Lisbon treaty which made that possible.
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