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Ross47888
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 27 May 2024    Post subject: Honda CG Head drilling for carb Reply with quote

Hi, so I bought a 1978 Honda CG. It has a 1984 CGE engine in it, that the owner said was just rebuilt with a new piston (first warning sign). Turns out the engine was almost certainly not rebuilt, and it seized less than 10 miles after buying it, top end seizure. I'm living in Andover atm but I can't work on the bike here, so I brought the engine in suitcase home by bus / boat to Northern Ireland to work on it.

After looking at the piston etc I ordered this head and barrel kit off ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352716574424?itmmeta=01HYXQ6HP2HQAYVXNF0EJ1MQS5&hash=item521f8bced8:g:LZEAAOSwRKtciOSr

Problem is the this bolts for the carb on this head don't line up with with the original carb / head. Since it's just aluminum am I fine to just drill it out, tap it and run carb through the new holes? Picture should be attached comparing two different heads.

So am I fine to use this head if I drill two bolt holes for the carb or tilt it on its side? Or do I need a new head. Thanks.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 27 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as the holes aren't too close to the edge of the milled casting to cause weakening then yes.
Dont tilt the carb, it wont like it.

I feel a bit leery if this 'Genuine Honda' thing on Ebay
the bike doesn't even have honda badges on it and looks like
a Pakistan honda not Japanese honda which the listing could lead you to believe
Plus the carb on that bike has level carb studs, not tilted ones.

It may fine for all that and i'm not an expert on all things CG so hope it works out for you
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 27 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet that was a new piston. Just the wrong size.

And yes, if there's enough metal there, I'd drill and tap.

EDIT: Port diameter looks smaller on the new head.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 28 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or get a flange adapter? Something like this might do it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204714139801
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Ross47888
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 28 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
As long as the holes aren't too close to the edge of the milled casting to cause weakening then yes.
Dont tilt the carb, it wont like it.

I feel a bit leery if this 'Genuine Honda' thing on Ebay
the bike doesn't even have honda badges on it and looks like
a Pakistan honda not Japanese honda which the listing could lead you to believe
Plus the carb on that bike has level carb studs, not tilted ones.

It may fine for all that and i'm not an expert on all things CG so hope it works out for you


Alright great thanks. I'm also a bit suspicious of "genuine" Honda. Since it doesn't fit my bike I think it's probably not a Japaneses built engine, (although I don't know what the type of fitting the Japanese CG reruns had for their carbs). I can't really check either as I'm in England atm and my dad is opening the stuff for me. I'll probably end up giving it a try and if it doesn't work, use the original head.

stinkwheel wrote:
I bet that was a new piston. Just the wrong size.

And yes, if there's enough metal there, I'd drill and tap.

EDIT: Port diameter looks smaller on the new head.


Alright sweet thanks. Yeah maybe it was the wrong size, but he guy I bought it off gave me the original piston that came with it - that he changed, and they were the same size. The piston had no play on the gudgeon pin at all though and was basically seized on.

Evil Hans wrote:
Or get a flange adapter? Something like this might do it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204714139801


Thanks, that's pretty cheap so I'll give it a go first, although from what I remember wasn't a whole lot of room when everything is in. But it's cheap enough to not lose anything trying.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 28 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Just make sure you don't go to deep , saw similar on daughters ybr and it broke through into the oil way.

Adam
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 29 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think, going from some diagrams, that's a 1995 or CG S model. Only one with vertical mount holes. Everything 81 onwards till then appears to be horizontal.

https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cg125-1995-s-england_model2608/partslist/E__0100.html

Weirdly carb is listed as a horizontal hole mount...all list different jet and float sets too, which ties in with a smaller carb hole that Stinkwheel mentions. I imagine they changed a few things.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 29 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broadly speaking CG here
78 bike 84 engine that's still 6v electrics and points ignition right?
I dont think they went 12V CDI until the 90s?
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 29 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Broadly speaking CG here
78 bike 84 engine that's still 6v electrics and points ignition right?
I dont think they went 12V CDI until the 90s?


'85 when they got to 12v not sure about CDI though.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 29 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Broadly speaking CG here
78 bike 84 engine that's still 6v electrics and points ignition right?
I dont think they went 12V CDI until the 90s?


they were 12v points in 92' on the Brazilian ones/ coffin shape tank

then they moved to cdi with the round shape tank

back in the day, (14 years ago) i fitted an 07 engine in a 92' frame and it fitted fine, obviously needed new loom and the airbox didn't line up with the carb but i made adjustments with some heat shrink tube....
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 03 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:
Or get a flange adapter? Something like this might do it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204714139801


Just came back to say, this worked well for me. Only downside is it puts a lot of stress on the stock hose from air box to carb.
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