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I'm starting to change my viewpoint on him staying at Ducati. He looked utterly dejected after talking to JB in Quali, he'd brought the bike in, stood with a drink, talked to JB and looked at the bike and shook his head.
The issue is, he knows how sweet that Yamaha is, he knows how good Lorenzo is, and he knows he's sat with a sub-optimal experiment sat in the garage that is a failed concept.
The talk of him seeing the situation at Yamaha differently, and how he'd be ok with Lorenzo being the Number 1 rider, despite Vale bringing sponsorship to the team.
I think it's a really hard decision for him, but Ducati have continually let him down on the updates side, each revision has had exactly the same problems.
So from Vales side, he has to decide against Yamaha, which will certainly give him podiums again, or Ducati which 'may' give him wins if they fix what they haven't fixed since the days of spec tyres.
I'm hoping that short of Ducati giving cast iron guarantees that they'll actually follow whatever direction is needed - including changing the motor to a standard V - even if just for a test to see - will happen before the winter tests. If they wont do that, I think he should walk.
That frees the spot at Ducati up which I think Cal will take, I'm kinda hoping he doesn't bite off more than he can chew, but I think he'll get a rude awakening if/when he sets foot on that bike.
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If he can make the Ducati win it will be a massive thing, for himself as well. If he goes to Yamaha and wins it's nothing new for him and good bye Ducati.
Hayden finished 6th so it's not all that bad. Also if he goes to Yamaha he has to leave his team behind as they only want Rossi
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I think he'd love to make the Ducati win. Rumor has it, Ducati are chatting up Furusawa - the guy who originally created the Yamaha M1! He's been to Italy a few times, and a rumor is coming out that he might oversee Preziosi.
I totally agree that he wants to make Ducati win. As for the team with Yamaha, it's purely money related, mainly because the guys are based back in Auz/NZ and their travel costs are a fair bit more than the European based teams.
Personally, I think it's just a money thing, and if it comes to it, Vale would fund the difference to have them their.
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Veeeryyy interesting
| Quote: | Valentino Rossi Post-Race Press Debrief Laguna Seca Transcript
by susan haas
Monday, July 30, 2012Q It is reported that you brought an offer of (Euro) 17,000,000 from Audi.
A No. This is important to say. Important. This is completely not true. My offer for next year is less money than the offer of these two years, and I think is also right, because the situation of all the world is difficult, and also I arrive from two bad season with less result. So is normal that they take less money, less money than last year.
Q What is your priority for your choice? A better bike?
A We have - so, I think, because in one way I can be very competitive in a short period; in the other way, at least we need more time. But for sure, the ... the level to win with the Ducati, the challenge to win with the Ducati, is higher, because nobody win with three different brand, so is something special. So I have to decide between these two
Q At this stage of your career though, Valentino, is it too much of a risk to stay with Ducati and be in this position again for another two years
A Is a big risk, yeah. Is a big risk also because I have to do the decision - is not, I cannot wait too much. If not, Dovizioso become very angry. [Laughter] So I have to, you know. But at the same time, the problem is that for wait the Audi and Ducati, is very early now for understand who will come to work, to work for the guys in Ducati. So I have to make a bet without very clear situation
Q Is it now just between Ducati and Yamaha? Are those the only choices you have
A I have also the third option, but is not in the factory team
Q But you are considering this option as well, or not
A I consider this option, but for sure I want to stay with a factory bike, so is the third option.
Q How would you feel about stepping back to Yamaha, stepping back to being the teammate of Lorenzo again, after there was some tension before? He said that he would not have a problem with this. From your side, what is your feeling?
A The situation change a lot, because, so - my feeling change a lot, because change the situation. I mean, I had some problem in the past with Jorge, especially because I was angry with Yamaha. Because after what all I did for Yamaha, they put me in a team, a very strong teammate. So I was pissed off with Yamaha, more than him. Now, now is a different situation. I understand that anyway Yamaha make the right choice for Yamaha. And I think this is not a big problem.
Q This week, Ducati will try Scott Redding at Mugello. What do you think about his potential with this bike, and what can he expect when he jumps on that bike?
A I know, because I am very close with the Ducati guys for the future, so they speak to me about the bikes, about young riders, they spoke about Iannone. But also Redding is - first is the English hope, you know? After Cal. But I think he have a good potential. He's a young gun and he can be fast.
Q Can Ducati exploit their luck with Cal? Do you think that he is a rider that they should be looking at, if you were to go?
A For me, Cal is another - I already say. The style and the mind of Cal can be suitable for the Ducati.
Q If you went back to Yamaha, then probably for the first time in your career you would be the number two rider. What is your feeling about this, and how do you think that you would be able to cope with the situation?
A This is another important thing for make the choice, because in Ducati I can be the number one, and the Yamaha have Lorenzo. Is another thing - another, to wait, to understand. |
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Well to feck things up even more the latest is he has pretty much done a deal with Yamaha. Some say 2 years in GP and then to WSBK with them
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I completely read that with a little mousy Italian accent in my head 
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Cannot wait to see Rossi back on Yamaha, glad it's all confirmed now, hopefully we can see some more classic races between him and Lorenzo  |
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| robbieguy2003 wrote: | I think the Rookie rule drop is a good thing. Gresini or LCR would have been forced to sign Marquez who is going to spend A LOT of time in the gravel trap.
Two big bits of the puzzle that need lining up before the rest makes sense are;
Honda - Who do they expect to win for them in 2013?
Dani I think is a great rider, and he IS championship winning material were it not for the fact that he picks up bad injuries when coming off. The guy has had one hell of a lot of bad luck in his career. I cant see Honda getting rid of him for 2012, they need someone to continue the development line of the RC213, if he goes and Casey goes they're down to test riders - Bradl isn't on a Factory Spec and is new to GP, and Bautista is again new to Honda, but is on Showa suspension, so it'd be tricky to carry on without Dani.
So keeping Dani and Mr Marquez looking like he's got the vacant seat, who's going to challenge Lorenzo in 2013? I'm sorry but I don't think Dani can do it, and I also think Marquez will not get anywhere near Lorenzo next year, I think he'll pick up a few injuries trying though.
So Honda need a rider that's capable of winning titles and a certain valentino rossi really needs a bike capable of winning titles. Excluding past history, these two really aren't that bad a fit. A major part of Valentino going to Honda would be the four bike rule being dropped, which is more than possible, lots of viewers want to see Rossi at the front and Honda can happily deliver more than four bikes if the money is available, which it is with Rossi.
Although unlikely, I wouldn't bet against a three man repsol team - OR a two man repsol with vale on a Factory Bike in his own team with that black/yellow/sun scheme he had on the Fiesta/Ferrari.
Ducati - Will the bike still be shite?
This really is the pivotal piece of the puzzle. Valentino doesn't need to earn money, he's worth hundreds of millions, he has little to prove, but he's here so when that bike comes good, he can challenge for a title on it. The question is, will it ever turn good? Vale has experience of Honda and Yamaha, you mention a problem and generally it's gone in the next iteration or two, it might introduce something else but generally they'll nail things down.
Ducati just don't seem to be doing that. Last year, I, as did many others thought the issue was about the frame, but as they change bits, it's becoming more and more telling that the issue may indeed be the layout of that engine. At Silverstone, Rossi said their main problem is still grip on the front when entering and during corners. That issue has existed since the GP 07, it's gradually got worse, a big part of this might have been the move to spec tyres. Everyone else ran alloy beam frames and a V4/L4, Ducati continued with the CF frame and an L4 which has a long and low layout rather than a high and short layout, both use tyres very differently.
Vito - the team manager suggested that the new engine will still be an L4, just with revised internals to stop the bike pushing out on the initial bite of the throttle. My main fear with this is that it wont solve the issue with braking and corner entry, so in essence, the bike will still largely suck when up against the Honda and Yamaha.
I think the one thing that could turn it for Ducati is a drop in the spec tyre rule, so they could have something specifically for the front of that bike. I do think that it'd help Hayden more than Rossi though, because it wouldn't change the style of the bike, it'd just mask it more.
Cal Crutchlow thinks his style would work on the Ducati - I MASSIVELY HOPE TO GOD he doesn't go to Ducati. Casey even said to him don't, the bikes garbage, and he can see Valentino and Nicky struggling week in/week out. I hope it's just part of contract negotiation stuff with Yamaha to show he's other options.
As it stands, It's all a bit of a mess at Ducati, anyone that gets a seat knows they'll get a factory ride, and if they win, they'll get a lot of applause, but the odds of winning on it do seem very stacked.
Vale says he'll make his mind up by Brno, once that happens I think the rest will start to fall into place quite quickly. |
WELL! Marquez bit aged well.. 
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