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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Win 10 EOL Reply with quote

No rush as yet, we have almost a year until Win 10 loses official support
unless you buy an extended license, so it's the old WIN/Linux debate again.

My old £30 Lenovo Thinkcentre PC runs win10/64 just fine for my use
i5 4590 cpu 16GB ram 500GB SSD on board HD Graphics 4600
I mostly do a bit of office, internet,some banking, play vids/music on VLC player
No games that need significant resources or hardware
I do have Adobe creative suite 6 but that's mostly just used to edit phone pics so gets used in the most minimalist way.

Win11 sneers at my PC when upgrades are mentioned
I know Linux will run just fine so I'm musing over a dual boot to play with possible alternatives.

I do not want a microsoft account and all that annoying shite I have to go in and manually turn off again.
I've tried Ubuntu and Mint in the past and preferred Mint for its clean simple interface and it just worked without me getting under the hood
so something like that would be my preference.

so what distros are worth a look nowadays?
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Re: Win 10 EOL Reply with quote

This built-in obsolescence so pisses me off.

I'm running a very nice Lenovo laptop which I bought at great expense about 7 years ago I suppose. I felt it worth the expense as it's done me very well, and it still does exactly what I want from a computer. But. It doesn't support Windows 11, so if I want to keep using MS-based stuff (I do), I have no option but to bin it and replace.

The joke is that the last time I was faced with this bollocks, I discovered that my flatbed scanner had been rendered obsolete overnight, as nobody had thought to provide upgraded drivers for it; as a result I now still maintain my previous laptop - which timed out at Windows XP - specifically to use it occasionally with the scanner.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

For surfing, emails, occasion invoice, I've been installing elementaryOS for friends and relatives with old hardware:

https://elementary.io/
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

i still think mint is the easiest to get on with myself.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Re: Win 10 EOL Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
as a result I now still maintain my previous laptop - which timed out at Windows XP - specifically to use it occasionally with the scanner.


Sadly with operating systems it's mostly security related. To leave an unpatched unmaintained OS on a machine that's on the internet is asking for trouble.

What's frustrating for me is that you now need a Trusted Platform Module to allow Windows 11 to work, which again is security related. Neither of my PC's have one. The only thing that does is my old Microsoft Surface Pro.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on a refurbished dell laptop with quite high specs on windows 10 it could easily run 11 but so far as I can see Dell used some kind of custom rom when they sold it (dell outlet) and even the tricks to force 11 to install don't work. Or rather after deploying the rufus or registry changes it will it will go through motions then back out saying can't boot into new OS.

To be fair I've had it 3 or 4 years so not bad for a refurb and the SSD is only 256gb so space needs to be monitored and strictly move stuff to flash drive. I might get another refurb and give this one to someone I don't like very much Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
I'm on a refurbished dell laptop with quite high specs on windows 10 it could easily run 11 but so far as I can see Dell used some kind of custom rom when they sold it (dell outlet) and even the tricks to force 11 to install don't work. Or rather after deploying the rufus or registry changes it will it will go through motions then back out saying can't boot into new OS.

To be fair I've had it 3 or 4 years so not bad for a refurb and the SSD is only 256gb so space needs to be monitored and strictly move stuff to flash drive. I might get another refurb and give this one to someone I don't like very much Laughing


It'll be lack of Trusted Platform Module.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 29 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

And thats why more and more kit in this house is running Mint. As soon as it gets to the point that Windows demands more resource than the device can provide, it gets swapped.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still on win7 as my main desktop. Very happy. Only upgraded to it from XP in 2018 so I haven't even had long on Win7. After win7/this PC. I think i'll be going to Linux full time.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
doggone wrote:
I'm on a refurbished dell laptop with quite high specs on windows 10 it could easily run 11 but so far as I can see Dell used some kind of custom rom when they sold it (dell outlet) and even the tricks to force 11 to install don't work. Or rather after deploying the rufus or registry changes it will it will go through motions then back out saying can't boot into new OS.

To be fair I've had it 3 or 4 years so not bad for a refurb and the SSD is only 256gb so space needs to be monitored and strictly move stuff to flash drive. I might get another refurb and give this one to someone I don't like very much Laughing


It'll be lack of Trusted Platform Module.


You can remove the need for TPM, just one quick Google away.

Problem is the nazi esque uefi Vs bios boot.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

P. wrote:


You can remove the need for TPM, just one quick Google away.

Problem is the nazi esque uefi Vs bios boot.

I think that's what it was I was able to change it in bios but then it wouldn't boot into Windows 10.
So the only way to put 11 on would be total wipe and format which seems kind of risky as you couldn't easily get back to W10.
I might try that route on this old one next week as I've got a better dell refurb on black friday sale on the way.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering if older, non Win 11 compliant PCs and lappy's
would be going cheap now for us who run the PC equivalent of old bangers and was idly browsing Ebay when
I saw a TPM workaround install on a USB stick for £15.

My quick read up on this tells me they edit the registry mid install to
get past the TPM checks
No idea how effective these are but later saw this DIY hack on Toms Hardware.
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement

I'll guess by next October we'll have options Wink

I still miss 7 though, that was my favourite, it just worked
10 is ok but lots of shit to disable
dunno what 11 will be like
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need Current Day™ Windows for work purposes but otherwise I'd probably dual-boot some flavour of Linux (probably raw Debian) and Tiny11:

https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Re: Win 10 EOL Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
as a result I now still maintain my previous laptop - which timed out at Windows XP - specifically to use it occasionally with the scanner.

Sadly with operating systems it's mostly security related. To leave an unpatched unmaintained OS on a machine that's on the internet is asking for trouble.

Oh yeah for sure - the XP laptop doesn't go anywhere near the internet, it's just wheeled out for very occasional scanning duties
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 30 Nov 2024    Post subject: Re: Win 10 EOL Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:

Oh yeah for sure - the XP laptop doesn't go anywhere near the internet, it's just wheeled out for very occasional scanning duties


Use mine all the time on the dub dub dub. Changed the user agent on the browser so I don't get 'You must upgrade your browser to view this website' so much. Still quite usable for a lot of websites. Thankfully BCF being one of them.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 01 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

My little dev laptop, gen2 i7 has no tpm but has Win11 on it, absolutely no trouble with the no tpm mods, which is just a quick change.
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