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PostPosted: 17:58 - 20 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious how straight face serious one can get reprimanded for doing greater than 20mph (in wales) on a road that was previously 30mph and had been so for many decades - i'm not going to go into type of road etc.

It is amusing that we are now suddenly killing kittens and slugs for what was a perfectly legitimate speed, simply because turkey neck made a gobble gobble and made it so.

Realistically, on the commute, everyone travels the 30mph the roads used to be Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 21 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

i get a warm fuzzy feeling inside when i hear of people destroying speed cams.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 21 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moxey wrote:
I did mine online which comically has a time limit, so they spend loads of effort advising to set off earlier, plan journeys ahead, and avoid stressful driving times...then rush through the whole thing because the next course is due to run Rolling Eyes


My online course was delayed due to the technical incompetence of one of the trainers. When they finally got online we were about an hour late so stampeded through the sections like we were running from the police. Laughing

To their credit the irony was not lost on the trainers when they got to the section where they had to preach about leaving early to avoid rushing. They appeared suitably embarrassed.

My crime was 32mph in the 30mph limit on the A40 Westway elevated section. I was caught by average speed cameras. My own fault for cleaning my number plate. A full winter of commuting had left it somewhat obscured and I made the mistake of thinking the cameras were inactive because I wasn't getting tickets. :facepalm:

The fact that the road is a 6 lane dual carriageway which was the 60mph A40(M) when I first started using it is a bit galling. It's been through 50mph, 40mph and now 30mph because it's crumbling to bits and having an elevated motorway collapse onto Notting Hill and squash several football fields of kiddies would make TfL look bad.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 21 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Course attendees are required to have a clean appearance and are individually responsible for their general presentation, appearance and personal hygiene.

Course attendees should not wear clothing which is likely to cause embarrassment to themselves or others and be aware of and respect cultural differences in dress and presentation.

NDORS reserves the right to refuse access or expel anyone for inappropriate behaviour, wearing inappropriate dress or for poor personal hygiene. Normally where this is implemented the course attendee will be referred back to the police."

https://www.ukroed.org.uk/faqs/standards-of-conduct/

How boring. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 21 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
"Course attendees are required to have a clean appearance and are individually responsible for their general presentation, appearance and personal hygiene.

Course attendees should not wear clothing which is likely to cause embarrassment to themselves or others and be aware of and respect cultural differences in dress and presentation.

NDORS reserves the right to refuse access or expel anyone for inappropriate behaviour, wearing inappropriate dress or for poor personal hygiene. Normally where this is implemented the course attendee will be referred back to the police."

https://www.ukroed.org.uk/faqs/standards-of-conduct/

How boring. Laughing


Has smellyvision arrived then? I must have missed that.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 22 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just got nicked at 17:30 passing a school (tiny one, ex house on a deserted rural road) .

Not like there'd even be teachers there let alone kids at that time!


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PostPosted: 12:47 - 25 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS, talk about speeding and I get a NIP in the post from when I went to London to get my daughter. 24 in a 20. Bugger. I don't even remember driving through a 20 zone. Will I get an offer?

Fucking London. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 25 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
FFS, talk about speeding and I get a NIP in the post from when I went to London to get my daughter. 24 in a 20. Bugger. I don't even remember driving through a 20 zone. Will I get an offer?

Fucking London. Evil or Very Mad


The red light cameras have been repurposed* as speed cameras. That's what caught me out.

*TBH I don't know if they always did speed checks but getting to 30mph was a rarity in the City.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 25 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red light cameras have always recorded the speed when taking pics of red light violations.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 25 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Red light cameras have always recorded the speed when taking pics of red light violations.


Well now they flash regardless of whether you went through a red light or not.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 25 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’ll be surprised how many people don’t know the speed limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph, not 60.

Speed isn’t the problem anyway, it’s inattentiveness, dabbing the brakes for no good reason and just being a dick.

I’m still amazed that cup holders in cars is a thing. I mean apart from the notion that modern man in a non-desert environment needs to carry liquid refreshments everywhere, usually held aloft like a trophy, hot liquids in the cabin of a fast-moving road vehicle must surely be a bad idea.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 25 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

I’m still amazed that cup holders in cars is a thing. I mean apart from the notion that modern man in a non-desert environment needs to carry liquid refreshments everywhere, usually held aloft like a trophy, hot liquids in the cabin of a fast-moving road vehicle must surely be a bad idea.


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PostPosted: 09:21 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
FFS, talk about speeding and I get a NIP in the post from when I went to London to get my daughter. 24 in a 20. Bugger. I don't even remember driving through a 20 zone. Will I get an offer?

Fucking London. Evil or Very Mad


Harsh. Very Harsh. Especially when you consider the Delivereats cunts are zipping around in excess of that, unlicenced on illegal e-bikes.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedalling >20mph on a road bike is pretty easy, at least in bursts. And going down Wandsworth hill? Trivial. They've had to re-route or cancel road races because of 20mph zones.

Let's face it, outside of built-up housing and outside schools, etc. the 20mph limit is just another exercise in money making immiseration.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Pedalling >20mph on a road bike is pretty easy, at least in bursts. And going down Wandsworth hill? Trivial. They've had to re-route or cancel road races because of 20mph zones.

Let's face it, outside of built-up housing and outside schools, etc. the 20mph limit is just another exercise in money making immiseration.


Pedal cycles are not subject to the 20mph speed limit (or any other).
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

I’m still amazed that cup holders in cars is a thing.



I think the same thing about smoking in a car. It's quite a distraction trying to keep an eye on a controlled fire whilst driving just as much in my opinion as mobiles or satnav or even adjusting the radio.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:


Pedal cycles are not subject to the 20mph speed limit (or any other).


But wanton or furious cycling is an offence.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Pedal cycles are not subject to the 20mph speed limit (or any other).


Indeed. But any serious race has support vehicles and they are subject to the speed limits.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
Pedalling >20mph on a road bike is pretty easy, at least in bursts. And going down Wandsworth hill? Trivial. They've had to re-route or cancel road races because of 20mph zones.

Let's face it, outside of built-up housing and outside schools, etc. the 20mph limit is just another exercise in money making immiseration.


Pedal cycles are not subject to the 20mph speed limit (or any other).


I think that ought to change now with electric bikes that are mini motorbikes easily bought without being registered as motor vehicles. It would give plod a more compelling reason to actually do something about it - more revenue for their slush fund. Whistle
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 26 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

20mph limits are a problem for pro level cycle races as whilst the speed limit doesn't apply to bikes, the support vehicles wouldn't be able to keep up.

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I think that ought to change now with electric bikes that are mini motorbikes easily bought without being registered as motor vehicles. It would give plod a more compelling reason to actually do something about it - more revenue for their slush fund.

What does changing rules about speed limits for cyclists have to do with police inaction on unregistered unlicensed uninsured electric motorbikes?
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 27 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
20mph limits are a problem for pro level cycle races as whilst the speed limit doesn't apply to bikes, the support vehicles wouldn't be able to keep up.

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I think that ought to change now with electric bikes that are mini motorbikes easily bought without being registered as motor vehicles. It would give plod a more compelling reason to actually do something about it - more revenue for their slush fund.

What does changing rules about speed limits for cyclists have to do with police inaction on unregistered unlicensed uninsured electric motorbikes?


Because they wouldn't be able to ignore them like they do now? If some cunt on any sort of bike rides past them at 25mph they might actually get off their fucking asses and do something about it because with video cameras on cars they would have instant proof? Nah, probably not.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 27 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Because they wouldn't be able to ignore them like they do now? If some cunt on any sort of bike rides past them at 25mph they might actually get off their fucking asses and do something about it because with video cameras on cars they would have instant proof? Nah, probably not.


Oh my sweet summer child. What world are you living in where traffic police are parked up and random surveying the vehicular activity at large?

I live in a suburban area (i.e. relatively high population density) and the closest we come to traffic cops is a concealed speed camera van on one of the rare 40mph sections of road. Last time the lads were "parked up" was insurance checks ~10 years ago.
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 28 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
20mph limits are a problem for pro level cycle races as whilst the speed limit doesn't apply to bikes, the support vehicles wouldn't be able to keep up.


Well that's a valid point but not an insurmountable issue. Besides, if no-one has a support vehicle then the playing field is even.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 28 Mar 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
if no-one has a support vehicle then the playing field is even.

But the teams and riders do have support vehicles. There are also neutral support vehicles who provide support for any of the riders.

If someone doesn't want to be on the playing field racing against professional teams with support vehicles then there's plenty of lower level racing available.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 02 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's over Smile

The guy running the course started on time, kept on schedule and we finished exactly on time. 10/10 would speed again Thumbs Up

Some of it was enlightening. Hardly anyone knew how to define a dual carriageway or which speed limits applied to what roads Sad (Apart from me, engage smug mode.) There were some sections of pure propaganda which would have caused an Applied Mathematician an aneurism and some "touchy feely" how would you feel shite. I managed to keep quiet and stick to politically expedient rather than correct answers. Jump through the hoops, get it over with.

In my action plan I suggested I might get a "THINK 20 MPH" sticker to put on the bike somewhere. I may actually do that and slap one on the Old Fella's Harley when he's not looking Laughing
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