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A100man
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: That tree.. Reply with quote

Can't get my heard around how much coverage thi is getting..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg93k0950pt

Yes, the men did a bad thing it was a nice tree, but 620Ks worth? Seriously?? and a live trial coverage by BBC news - have a word. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Re: That tree.. Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
but 620Ks worth? Seriously??

https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/CAVAT-Full-Method-a-lowdown-on-the-refresh

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PostPosted: 12:14 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

The supposed value is ridiculous yet damage to the wall seems on the low side.
It might have blown down anyway in Storm Darragh and lifted a big piece of wall into the air on root ball.
It would eventually become an issue - too near wall anyway.
But no idea why they'd want to do it why take such a risk it's obvious there'd be an uproar.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fun fact is, sycamores were introduced to the UK in the post-Roman era. So it's actually a non-native invasive species.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britain has a shit ton of introduced species some good some not.
and they're not all in Kew gardens.
Go to your local park and you'll likely find some examples

Native or not, lots of people liked that somewhat iconic sycamore
and its senseless felling really pissed them off.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
The supposed value is ridiculous yet damage to the wall seems on the low side.


Well yeah, the wall can be repaired relatively easily, with the right specialists, in a matter of days/weeks

Replacing/growing a new tree not so much, and the time involved in nurturing/protecting said tree for the next 30 odd years
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

What should happen is the wood from the tree gets processed, built into a scaffold and hang them from it. True justice*

* If found guilty of course.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d never heard of this tree but still… two grown men (32 and 39) went out of their way to do this hoping to upset people for their own entertainment. Couple of weirdos.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 29 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be taken out and fucked by a gorilla for utter stupidity. Why? 15 minutes of fame? They will be going down for it because the tree huggers will demand the ultimate penalty.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 09 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are going down for a few years I would guess.

Pair guilty of cutting down Sycamore Gap tree
....which could be up to 10 years in prison, the court heard.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly38wr66dro
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 09 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I’d never heard of this tree but still… two grown men (32 and 39) went out of their way to do this hoping to upset people for their own entertainment. Couple of weirdos.


Their age supprised me too, mindless vandalism/destruction is surely something most people grow out of by what 25 at the latest? these people have deffo got development issues and fuck all else to do in their life it seems.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 10 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was main news on the Beeb - ahead of India-Pakistan, Israels genocide etc.

A nice tree it was but ffs - plant another.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 10 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought prisons were close to capacity and that's why thousands of violent offenders had to be released early.

This report says jails in England and Wales will be full by early 2026 and short of 5,400 spaces by November 2027.

In 2023/24, the average cost of a prison place in England and Wales was £56,987 a year.

It's a shame that the amount of community service someone can be given is limited to 300 hours.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 10 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaddyStu wrote:
A nice tree it was but ffs - plant another.

...and then wait 150 years?
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 10 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaddyStu wrote:
It was main news on the Beeb - ahead of India-Pakistan, Israels genocide etc.

A nice tree it was but ffs - plant another.


Sometimes things matter more than you would think.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 12 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

...and then wait 150 years?


Probably go do some other sh*t and pop back later.

Or... transplant a larger tree.

Or... just watch Robin Hood again.
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PostPosted: 06:29 - 12 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another wee factoid, from having felled big sycamores before, they invariably break back from the base and coppice themselves. Damned hard to fully get rid of one unless you dig out the stump. The powers that be have been industriously chopping the new growth off, grafting it and replanting it elsewhere.

Give it a few years unmolested and there will be a 10 foot high coppiced bush there.

So we probably get down to they didn't actually kill the tree but that people wont like the aesthetics of how it grows back.
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PostPosted: 06:49 - 12 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coppicing it could have been officially suggested as a way to extend its life and reduce the risk of it falling on the wall in a storm.
Regrowth can be very rapid within ten years there'd be a significant multi-trunk tree there.

Most trees are not that long lived you realise this as you get older and are felling semi-mature trees you planted in your youth because they are getting too big.
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 12 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the problem now as this being the start of things to come, you're not telling me in the next 5-20 years we'll not get another pair of pissed up idiots remembering this story and thinking it a great idea to go and chop it down again for fame!

I get both sides, it is just a tree and we have millions of them. This one just happened to be in the right place at the right time to make a bit of a name for itself.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 12 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaddyStu wrote:
M.C wrote:

...and then wait 150 years?


Probably go do some other sh*t and pop back later.

See you in 2175.

Feasty wrote:
I get both sides, it is just a tree and we have millions of them. This one just happened to be in the right place at the right time to make a bit of a name for itself.

People dislike mindless vandalism at the best of times, it's the destruction of a landmark and a link to the past.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 13 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

People dislike mindless vandalism at the best of times, it's the destruction of a landmark and a link to the past.


Indeed, its not too dissimilar to that Wonky Pub that "mysteriously" burnt to the ground, just after someone bought the land it was on Shocked

The outrage there was possibly just as much as with the Sycamore Gap tree, but at least the Wonky Pub could be rebuilt, if the current owners hadnt then declared themselves bankrupt of course Mad
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 13 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:

Indeed, its not too dissimilar to that Wonky Pub that "mysteriously" burnt to the ground, just after someone bought the land it was on Shocked

The outrage there was possibly just as much as with the Sycamore Gap tree, but at least the Wonky Pub could be rebuilt, if the current owners hadnt then declared themselves bankrupt of course Mad


I was thinking about this as a comparison. This is more significant vandalism in my view and no talk at all of prison for those twats..

The tree has assumed teh proportions of Princess Di's demise (almost) with regards to grief-tourism and FOMO-outrage.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 13 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wonky pub fire was a scam though, either insurance or change of use. The supposedly famous tree was cut down for some sort of laugh, although they aren’t laughing now.
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PostPosted: 04:18 - 14 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The wonky pub fire was a scam though, either insurance or change of use. The supposedly famous tree was cut down for some sort of laugh, although they aren’t laughing now.


I really can't understand the thought process for this tree felling though. To have to drive large distances in the middle of the night to cut a tree down for fun? I'm surprised the lawyers aren't screaming 'mentally incompetent' as a defense.

At least with wonky pub everyone understands why they did it, even if it was wrong. Money.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 14 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I really can't understand the thought process for this tree felling though.

I quite like the revenge theory because much like the two offenders, it's very simple.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/09/sycamore-gap-vandal-previously-accused-destroy-countryside/

tldr "Graham was facing eviction over environmental issues following a long-running dispute with the council and his neighbours.

In 2015, Graham purchased a small plot of farmland in Grinsdale Bridge near the quiet Cumbrian village of Kirkandrews-on-Eden.

He quickly established a number of buildings on the property and gained planning permission for a stable block, horse shelter and storage units.

However, locals complained when Graham moved a caravan onto the site shortly afterwards and began living and working there permanently."

So people had complained about his planning application and he was unhappy about it therefore two of them drove 30 miles at night through a storm so one of them could record a video of the other cutting a tree down. Makes perfect sense.
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