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GettinBetter
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 15 Jun 2025    Post subject: UK Britcard Reply with quote
UK BritCard...

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PostPosted: 06:56 - 16 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh no! We will do what every other developed nation did years ago.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 16 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
Oh no! We will do what every other developed nation did years ago.


No, "We will fuck up what every other developed nation did years ago." That's the UK government way Sad
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 16 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
It'll fail because of passive civil disobedience which the British are very good at. It'll be roundly ignored by so many people that whatever it's supposed to achieve will turn out to be unworkable.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 22 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
It'll fail because of passive civil disobedience which the British are very good at. It'll be roundly ignored by so many people that whatever it's supposed to achieve will turn out to be unworkable.


I wish you were right on this one, I really do.

Sadly, I think the british/european public have their heads in the sand, and don't want to to know, and just plain don't care. They have enough games and films to distract them on a daily basis, and are fed their 24/7 dose of news propaganda/narative.

Last year I went around Europe, visited 16 countries, (7k miles) and almost never saw anybody using cash. I stopped using local currencies as machines were difficult to find, and didn't want to be stuck with monies that I would never be able to spend, so opted to use my card (I don't/won't have a phone app).

Also, I mistakenly though that all of Europe was using the Euro. I was wrong many of the EU countries have retained their own currencies. Only about ~17 of the 27 countries use the Euro. Also place like Switzerland, Denmark and Norway aren't even in the EU. You guys probably know this already, but untill this trip I wasn't very traveled ouside the UK.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 22 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
It'll fail because of passive civil disobedience which the British are very good at. It'll be roundly ignored by so many people that whatever it's supposed to achieve will turn out to be unworkable.

To be fair, that's exactly what was said when the ban against smoking in pubs came into force...

GettinBetter wrote:
Last year I went around Europe, visited 16 countries, (7k miles) and almost never saw anybody using cash. I stopped using local currencies as machines were difficult to find, and didn't want to be stuck with monies that I would never be able to spend, so opted to use my card (I don't/won't have a phone app).

I was the same until it was pointed out to me that using a phone to pay is actually very much more secure than using a card, as it's encrypted and cannot be intercepted by sniffers, fake card terminals etc.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 22 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:

I was the same until it was pointed out to me that using a phone to pay is actually very much more secure than using a card, as it's encrypted and cannot be intercepted by sniffers, fake card terminals etc.


Until your phone gets lost/stolen. Usually personal data is all stored on a phone with "auto log in" for most sites and apps. I prefer contactless in shops and online banking at home.
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 23 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
My phone has a paranoia switch. If the gyroscopes believe the phone's been physically snatched from you it goes into automatic lockdown mode.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 23 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
GettinBetter wrote:
Also place like Switzerland, Denmark and Norway aren't even in the EU.

Denmark is (in the EU) but you're right about the other two.

FF68 wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:

I was the same until it was pointed out to me that using a phone to pay is actually very much more secure than using a card, as it's encrypted and cannot be intercepted by sniffers, fake card terminals etc.

Until your phone gets lost/stolen. Usually personal data is all stored on a phone with "auto log in" for most sites and apps. I prefer contactless in shops and online banking at home.

It's concerning when you hear of stories like this: 'Train phone snatcher stole £21,000 from my bank apps'

I have a mobile banking app for approving transactions, transferring money etc., although with mine you have to login with a fingerprint or passcode.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 23 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:

It's concerning when you hear of stories like this: 'Train phone snatcher stole £21,000 from my bank apps'

I have a mobile banking app for approving transactions, transferring money etc., although with mine you have to login with a fingerprint or passcode.


Mobile phones are a big money business these days and criminals know it. I don't install apps for anything and I don't walk the streets with a phone in my hand all the time either like a lot of people do these days as their lives revolve around their phones. My phone is for making calls, texting, and emergencies, and not much else. I do all my "internetting" at home on my Chromebook or PC with several different layers of security for banking/buying things.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 23 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
My main bank account does not have any online facilities. Likewise my phone just makes phone calls and text messages.

I have a couple of android devices for when i go on holiday and to use as an occasional satnav but they have nothing on them I'd be uncomfortable with a theif getting their hands on. They are even set up with a burner google account.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 24 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bev Turner is quite hot, but it's a roll of Bacofoil in the post from me.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 24 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll just roll out this Douglas Adams quote again.

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There were so many different ways in which you were required to provide absolute proof of your identity these days that life could easily become extremely tiresome just from that factor alone, never mind the deeper existential problems of trying to function as a coherent consciousness in an epistemologically ambiguous physical universe. Just look at cash point machines, for instance. Queues of people standing around waiting to have their fingerprints read, their retinas scanned, bits of skin scraped from the nape of the neck and undergoing instant (or nearly instant-a good six or seven seconds in tedious reality) genetic analysis, then having to answer trick questions about members of their family they didn't even remember they had, and about their recorded preferences for tablecloth colours. And that was just to get a bit of spare cash for the weekend. If you were trying to raise a loan for a jetcar, sign a missile treaty or pay an entire restaurant bill things could get really trying. Hence the Ident-i-Eeze. This encoded every single piece of information about you, your body and your life into one all-purpose machine-readable card that you could then carry around in your wallet, and therefore represented technology's greatest triumph to date over both itself and plain common sense.

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PostPosted: 17:46 - 24 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
I was the same until it was pointed out to me that using a phone to pay is actually very much more secure than using a card, as it's encrypted and cannot be intercepted by sniffers, fake card terminals etc.
It's concerning when you hear of stories like this: 'Train phone snatcher stole £21,000 from my bank apps'

How do people even let this stuff happen though? Personally, my iphone is set up so that even if someone managed to nick it out of my hands while I was reading it, then managed to reset the screen lock before it locked, they are not getting in to my banking apps without my Face id. They can't change my Face id without knowing my PIN. I have set basic security like blocking control panel access from the lock screen, and preventing messages appear on the lock screen. I reckon provided I remotely erase the phone remotely as soon as I'm realistically able, and take the usual precautions like notifying my bank ASAP, I should be OK. But genuinely, I'd really like to know if I'm missing something obvious (apart from being mugged by a gang of thugs and having them hold the phone up to my face - hmm)
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 24 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Criminals know with a phone snatch nothing will be done. Worse, if you track down your phone the police would arrest you* if you tried to retrieve it. Kidnapping and torture the fuzz would be much more interested in.

As to "my bank account was emptied!" it sounds so implausible I wonder if it's a variation on the classic insurance scam Thinking And then the money disappears... somehow. That's the way the banks like it I suppose. So what the Poors get cleaned out, if it were easy to trace money a lot of very important people would get upset.

*Because you'd bring enough people so you didn't need to ask politely to have it back.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 25 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interestingly, what you might call “the Anglosphere” (UK, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) do not issue national ID cards. Just those once occupied by dictatorships then.

If it happens it will be sold to the youth on the basis of certain “freedoms” which are really just conveniences. They won’t know what they’ve got ‘til it’s gone. Ultimately ID cards would be a potential source of grief for the honest citizen while criminals easily work around the requirement.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 25 Jun 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm at the point now where I'm seriously considering asking my accountant how I can "opt out" of paying taxes. Applying a similar mindset to quitting a TV licence. I suspect it'd involve doing my "work from home" in a different country Sad
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