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Raffles
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 14 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
WD Forte wrote:
That Meloni bird looks quite fit too.

Now you're just copying The Donald....

Trump tells Italian Prime Minister 'Hey, you're fit as fuck and I'd sure like to bone you'....
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 14 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Dare we say that the Orange Man did some good here, or are the lefties still wanting the war to carry on?


Must be a terrible dilemma. If the was is over we cant howl at Israel as genociders. If the Trumpet has succeeded where everyone else has failed, how can we spin that it's still his fault? I bet Starmer twists it that him recognizing Palestine was the real reason the war was brought to a close. Rolling Eyes


What a surprise -

Recognising Palestinian state helped get ceasefire, PM says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ex18xx9xeo
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
WD Forte wrote:
That Meloni bird looks quite fit too.

Now you're just copying The Donald....

Trump tells Italian Prime Minister 'Hey, you're fit as fuck and I'd sure like to bone you'....


When you read the article it's almost like Trump and Meloni are normal human beings... horrific Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow, a chant from an Oxford university student that would have the thickest football supporter cringing.

“A chant that we’ve been workshopping in Oxford”:
“Gaza, Gaza, make us proud,
Put the Zios in the ground.”

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/police-urged-investigate-oxford-video-5HjdFJ4_2/

It's reported by other news agencies just in case you have a problem with far right LBC Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
I loathe and detest the HAMAS extremists and their fanatical, murderous behaviour, and I don't care how many of THEM are killed, but let's not pretend the uber violent extremism is only on one side.

My next remarks are not in any way ant-Jewish. I have not the least problem with any jew as a jew. He is no different to me. What I have a problem with is the root cause of all of this trouble and mass killing. It comes from something that happened in 1948 - 14th May 1948, when a nation was established by force, based on ethnicity and religion in a land where the people who qualified to be full citizens were not even in the majority at the time. This was engineered by the USA and it has been a disaster for millions of people and a bonanza for others who were the winners.

In 1948, Jewish people only owned about a third of the land. Many tens of thousands of Arabs were driven away from their homes and prevented from coming back. The British who were in nominal control of the region did not want it. Israel was established by foreign diktat and maintained by terrorism. The Irgun was a Zionist terror organisation and its members even targeted figures like Winston Churchill. Back in the 1970s, I worked with a guy who had been a major in the British forces who was stationed there. He was involved in rescuing people from the King David Hotel - a British headquarters which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Who can be surprised that the whole region is now and has been for eighty years a hornets nest of fury and hatred. Would you forget being driven from your home and displaced into a refugee camp? I wouldn't.

The ongoing horror show is not going to be solved by ANY peace treaty which leaves millions of people dispossessed and non citizens. At best - the can is being kicked down the road.

The horrors of Nazi Europe and monstrous mass murder are not solved by dispossessing and ill-treating another people a couple of thousand miles away. And in the same way, mass murder of 65,000 people in Gaza, two thirds of them civilians, won't solve the problem either. Left to his own devices, Netanyahu and his extremist support base would have continued with their own 'final solution' until the remnants of the Gazan and West Bank population were led away into exile somewhere else.

To be quite clear, there is so much extremism on both sides that I find it very hard to have much sympathy for either side.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
BusterGonads wrote:
I find it very hard to have much sympathy for either side.


I’m not sure all those dead civilians will feel the icy chill from your lack of sympathy but I sure do.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
BusterGonads wrote:
.......wrote stuff


Whatever the rights and wrongs of the historical situation it is what it is and cannot be changed now.

Since Israel was formed there has been what? three full blown wars, 48, 67 and 73 which the sole purpose of the Arab nations was to wipe Israel off the face of the map. There have also been plenty of attacks from the so call militias in between these attacks.

2 years ago Gaza was in relative peace. As peaceful as anywhere in that region was. Then Hamas attacked Israel, killed civilians and took hostages. Maybe the majority of the Gazans didn't want that but there were celebrations in the streets for the 'success' of the Hamas attacks. It was filmed.

Was their response to the Hamas attacks proportional when viewed by western eyes, probably not. Was it from their point of view, yes it was.

However Israel might have won the physical war but Hamas has won the propaganda one hence....

“A chant that we’ve been workshopping in Oxford”:
“Gaza, Gaza, make us proud,
Put the Zios in the ground.”

from the university elite.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hamas condition all their children to hate Jews from an early age and Israel conscript every citizen into the IDF.

There are no "innocent civilians" on either side Sad
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Israel’s modern military razed Gaza to the ground, relentlessly pursued and killed Hamas leaders wherever they were hiding and demanded release of all the sausages while Israel’s ally and now supposed ‘peacemaker’ the USA watched and then threatened ‘all hell’ unless Hamas relented. That’s a funny kind of peace process.

Was there a realistic alternative?

No, but my point is the near-annihilation followed by a biased third party stepping in and saying, “Give up or we’ll resource your final destruction” doesn’t warrant a Nobel Peace Prize. The problem is that Obama got one for free/nought, so Trump thinks he deserves one too (and he sooo wants it). My fear is when Trump doesn’t get it he’ll go the other way.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Raffles wrote:

Was there a realistic alternative?

No, but my point is the near-annihilation followed by a biased third party stepping in and saying, “Give up or we’ll resource your final destruction” doesn’t warrant a Nobel Peace Prize. The problem is that Obama got one for free/nought, so Trump thinks he deserves one too (and he sooo wants it). My fear is when Trump doesn’t get it he’ll go the other way.


The thing is, whatever his reasons, whatever his faults, Trump stopped the fighting. If anyone else had people would be singing his praises from the rafters but it's Trump so a huge percentage of the worlds population are trying to put a bright smile on their faces when they would rather the war went on than Trump get any credit for what he has dine.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
CrypticCrud wrote:
BusterGonads wrote:
I find it very hard to have much sympathy for either side.


I’m not sure all those dead civilians will feel the icy chill from your lack of sympathy but I sure do.


Read the post again instead of snatching one sentence and misinterpreting it.

I made it absolutely clear that the murder of probably about 40,000 civilians was a major crime.

I also made it clear what I thought of HAMAS fanatics.

I also said that I doubt there is any chance that this moment is the end of hostilities. Fanatics on both sides and the total absence of a resolution to the cause of the problem (13/05/1948) and the massive ethnic cleansing which occurred after that date, will mean that it will spark up again before long.

I am certain that it will not be solved any time soon and not in my lifetime.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:

The thing is, whatever his reasons, whatever his faults, Trump stopped the fighting. If anyone else had people would be singing his praises from the rafters but it's Trump so a huge percentage of the worlds population are trying to put a bright smile on their faces when they would rather the war went on than Trump get any credit for what he has dine.


Trump could have reined in Netanyahu any time he liked. He could have stopped the massive toll on civilians. Best estimate is that 2/3 of the 60,000 dead were civilians. Most of the weapons Netanyahu has been using come from the USA.

I don't care that HAMAS has been hammered - every dead one is a bonus. killing civilians in the way it has been done is without doubt a war crime. After WW2 we hanged German war criminals and rightly so.

Trump chose to act now after Netanyahu's air attack on a building in Qatar - an important strategic ally of the US and one where the US has a vital air base and free access to the region. Since the Emir of Qatar well knows who controls Israel, this put American interests at risk - which of course is all Trump cares about. He has made this abundantly clear.

His interest in alliances of any kind is entirely dependent on his whims. He has shafted Ukraine, humiliated its president and emboldened Putin, who now feels safe invading NATO air space and tampering with strategically vital under sea infrastructure such as communications cables, gas pipelines and electricity cables. Worse still from our point of view, Trump has made it clear on several occasions that he is not interested in ARTICLE 4 of the NATO treaty - an attack on one is an attack on all, and all will come to the aid of the attacked NATO state.

Trump is held in abject contempt by so many for good reason.

And yes - Buster Gonads said stuff. Go and read it. It will do you good.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 15 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hamas condition all their children to hate Jews from an early age and Israel conscript every citizen into the IDF.

There are no "innocent civilians" on either side Sad


I think there certainly ARE innocent civilians on both sides - non combatants who have nothing to do with the violence and no power to stop it. Thousands of children have been killed by Israel and some were killed by HAMAS.

There are also combatants and civilians on both sides who are guilty of supporting, enabling, encouraging and carrying out criminal acts. Extremism is rife in both populations, but it is by no means universal. There are people on both sides who speak out and protest what is going on, though in GAZA, those people are likely to be executed by HAMAS, which is not the case in Israel where protest is allowed and regularly happens.

I note that HAMAS held public executions in a square today of people described as 'collaborators'.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 16 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
The thing is, whatever his reasons, whatever his faults, Trump stopped the fighting.

I think Netanyahu took them to this point by almost annihilating the Hamas leadership cynically embedded among civilians. Trump and his team asking, “Do you want to give up yet?” doesn’t constitute a peace initiative to me. Offering Netanyahu a peace prize would be ludicrous but I feel the same about Trump’s prospects. He takes the same outlook with Ukraine.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 16 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
BusterGonads wrote:


Read the post again instead of snatching one sentence and misinterpreting it.



I read it clearly the 1st time.. blahing on about how we came to be in this position is worthless if you're going to end it with a statement about a lack of sympathy. (IMO)

Polarbear wrote:
Trump stopped the fighting.


Has he really? what did he do? impose sanctions? Help obliterate the enemy? No, he didn't because he's all mouth & no trousers... just like all the other leaders who have tried to wade into this mess.

The only people who have stopped this are the opposing sides, I say sides... judging by the pictures of Gaza, there can't be anyone or anything left to exterminate/ obliterate.. & that's the only reason Israel have took a breath.

I say take a breath because I truly believe he will start bombing again as soon as whatever remains of Gaza starts to get back on its feet.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 16 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I say take a breath because I truly believe he will start bombing again as soon as whatever remains of Hamas starts to get back on its feet.

FTFY.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 16 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:

FTFY.


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PostPosted: 16:55 - 19 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
That didn’t take long!
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